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NightOwl ( NightOwl@lemmy.ca )  to World News@lemmy.ml · 2 years ago

Ukraine says it thwarted a plot to overthrow the government

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Ukraine says it thwarted a plot to overthrow the government

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NightOwl ( NightOwl@lemmy.ca )  to World News@lemmy.ml · 2 years ago
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Ukraine says it thwarted a plot to overthrow the government | CNN
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Ukraine has foiled an alleged plot to overthrow the government that “would have played into Russia’s hands,” security officials in the war-torn country said Monday.
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  • krolden ( krolden@lemmy.ml ) 
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    Can we please stop propping up their government

    • Th4tGuyII ( Th4tGuyII@fedia.io ) 
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      Could the Russians stop invading another country’s sovereign land?

      • AntiOutsideAktion ( AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml ) 
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        Kinda hard when the other country makes it a crime to negotiate a peace deal

        • Honytawk ( Honytawk@lemmy.zip ) 
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          As long as the “peace deal” involves “give us your land” then it is not a peace deal, it is extortion.

          • AntiOutsideAktion ( AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml ) 
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            They already took the land. The peace deal involves not throwing 50 year olds into killing fields just to lose more.

    • WHARRGARBL ( WHARRGARBL@beehaw.org ) 
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      And here we have another gem from the obnoxious 43 year old libertarian edge lord’s exhaustive repertoire of unwanted opinions.

      • krolden ( krolden@lemmy.ml ) 
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        Lol what

        • SaltySalamander ( SaltySalamander@fedia.io ) 
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          AND HERE WE HAVE ANOTHER GEM FROM THE OBNOXIOUS 43 YEAR OLD EDGE LORD’S EXHAUSTIVE REPERTOIRE OF UNWANTED OPINIONS.

      • davel [he/him] ( davel@lemmy.ml ) 
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        deleted by creator

    • Notyou ( Notyou@sopuli.xyz ) 
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      No.

      We get rid of old munitions and equipment.

      Companies get rich by replenishing stock with new military contracts.

      We get new data that we can use to war game without actually fighting first hand.

      You might not think it’s worth it, but the people benefiting do.

  • AntiOutsideAktion ( AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml ) 
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    Maybe they should allow elections

    • pingveno ( pingveno@lemmy.ml ) 
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      Under the Ukrainian constitution, they cannot hold an election while martial law is under effect. Much of the population (a majority?) is either displaced or in an occupied territory.

      • AntiOutsideAktion ( AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml ) 
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        The rules say no democracy while we’re doing a police state. Sorry those are the rules.

    • Honytawk ( Honytawk@lemmy.zip ) 
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      Elections during a war would lead to the enemy interfering and installing a puppet government.

      Especially if we are talking about Russia.

      • AntiOutsideAktion ( AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml ) 
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        Lincoln did it.

  • intelshill ( intelshill@lemmy.ca ) 
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    Isn’t their government currently illegitimate because they refused to hold elections?

    Fact is, if Russia wanted to overthrow Zelensky they would’ve done it by now. The problem isn’t Zelensky, but the entire notion of Ukrainian independence from Russia. Until Russia can comprehensively beat that idea out of the Ukrainian ethos, this war will not end.

    See also: US-Cuba, China-Taiwan, and historically US-South America under the Monroe Doctrine.

    Note that this idea isn’t about domestic sovereignty insomuch as it is about who your allies can be. If Ukraine were independent but in CSTO or even in BRICS, there would be no issues. Similarly, if Cuba were to be a US ally instead, sanctions would be dropped and it would be welcomed with open arms.

    • Slotos ( Slotos@feddit.nl ) 
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      Laws of Ukraine explicitly state that elections cannot be held in a wartime. These provisions are older than current presidency and parliament.

      Claim to illegitimacy due to refused elections is the best way to tell everyone you gobble up Russian propaganda.

    • adarza ( adarza@lemmy.ca ) 
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      https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/zelenskyy-say-no-elections-until-war-ends/

    • Notyou ( Notyou@sopuli.xyz ) 
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      Isn’t their government currently illegitimate because they refused to hold elections?

      This lets me know you are full of shit. Russia is also a topic of this conversation and the haven’t had a legitimate election in decades.

    • Umbrias ( Umbrias@beehaw.org ) 
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      the entire notion of Ukrainian independence from Russia. Until Russia can comprehensively beat that idea out of the Ukrainian ethos, this war will not end.

      Now to be clear, you’re not of course advocating that Russia do that therefore violating a peoples self determination, right?

  • CyberMonkey404 ( CyberMonkey404@lemmy.ml ) 
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    that “would have played into Russia’s hands,”

    Presumably this implies the “coup attempt” was by Russian spies and local collaborators. So why not just say so?

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