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Nemeski ( neme@lemm.ee )  to Privacy Guides@lemmy.oneEnglish · 2 years ago

Signal under fire for storing encryption keys in plaintext

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Nemeski ( neme@lemm.ee )  to Privacy Guides@lemmy.oneEnglish · 2 years ago
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Popular encrypted messaging app Signal is facing criticism over a security issue in its desktop application. Researchers and app users are raising
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    With what? Where would you store the encryption key for the encryption key on a desktop system where it would not be accessible to an attacker?

    Perhaps there could be a pin or password that must be entered every time to decrypt it into memory.

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      As the article states, currently all processes are able to read the file which contains the key. Instead, you could store the key in the macOS Keychain (and Linux/Windows equivalents), which AFAIK is a list of all sorts of sensitive data (think WiFi passwords etc.), encrypted with your user password. I believe the Keychain also only let’s certain processes see certain entries, so the Signal Desktop App could see only its own encryption key, whereas for example iMessage would only see the iMessage encryption key.

      • 🇦🇺𝕄𝕦𝕟𝕥𝕖𝕕𝕔𝕣𝕠𝕔𝕠𝕕𝕚𝕝𝕖 ( muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee ) 
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        Wifi passwords are piss easy to read out well at least on windows.

        • eco_game ( eco_game@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
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          Only if you’re logged in as an Administrator though. A “standard” user account can’t access WiFi passwords on Windows.

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            Because a non admin account is the default right? Right?

            • ReversalHatchery ( ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org ) 
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              UAC prompts you since vista if you want to let a process elevate it’s rights to be able to do that

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                Luckily nobody ever just clicks through those.

    • boredsquirrel (he) ( boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net ) 
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      Something you know, something you have, something you are.

      3FA:

      • Pin
      • Security Key/TPM/Secure element
      • fingerprint / iris scan

      You could also start with just one of these

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        fingerprint / iris scan

        Nope, I’m out. I’m not giving my unchangeable biological data to the Computer Gods because A) Fuck that and B) the police in my country can compel the use of biometrics to unlock things but cannot compel you to give up your pass as it is protected by the first amendment. Yes I think the bios should be protected too but that isn’t the reality in which I live.

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          Yeah that factor may not be wanted. But it is a security factor, because only you have it.

          You could hash it securely so the computer gods dont know your fingerprint. And you could only use it in addition to another factor.

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        Isn’t the idea that not everyone has access to your biometrics?

        There’s honestly no need to make computers ask people for piss scans:

        something you know

        A password

        something you have

        Access to the password

        something you are

        The person who knows the password

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          A password can be cracked and is often very bad.

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            But that can be said of any of the other such called factors:

            A yubikey can be stolen

            A fingerprint can be scanned and distributed

            So its not really an argument against passwords (or passkeys, or passwordless, or whatever marketing want to call them these days).

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              Most people just need to fear their passwords being cracked remotely. In masses.

              If your threat model is being known, people stealing your stuff to login to your things, this is very high.

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              My yubikey can be stolen but good luck guessing my PIN in the 3 to 9 tries allowed before it self destructs.

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                luck? I have a $5* wrench.

                * (Actually a $7 wrench. Inflation is murder around here.)

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                  If you have me… you win. My technology however will never betray me.

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