- kingthrillgore ( @KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml ) 58•2 months ago
[27] "You have heard that it was said, `You shall not commit adultery.' [28] But I say to you that every one who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. [29] If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. [30] And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.
Damn I didn’t know Jesus was chill like that
- HSR🏴☠️ ( @hsr@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English27•2 months ago
Counter point: literally the next two verses
31 “It was also said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32 But I say to you that anyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of unchastity, causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Not to mention that “adultery in his heart” is essentially thought-crime, which I personally find rather unchill and not based.
- letsgo ( @letsgo@lemm.ee ) 14•2 months ago
No, what he’s saying is that since all actions start with a thought (for example, one does not just commit adultery; there’s a period of “I wouldn’t mind a bit of that”), it can be helpful to consider the thought as bad as the action for the purpose of weeding that behaviour out of our lives. Not that the thought is as bad as the action, because clearly it isn’t. Continuing with the example: when we find ourselves thinking like that, it is at that point we should catch ourselves and think about something else instead. Attempting to stop yourself just before you rip her knickers off is unlikely to be quite as successful.
Similarly 29 and 30 are not suggestions of actual self-mutilation. Your eye cannot cause you to sin; it is exaggeration for the sake of making the point. You see something, you think about it, then you act on that thought. But if the act is sinful then we should attempt to stop the act at the earliest possible point.
- HSR🏴☠️ ( @hsr@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English7•2 months ago
it can be helpful to consider the thought as bad as the action for the purpose of weeding that behaviour out of our lives. Not that the thought is as bad as the action, because clearly it isn’t.
Considering how many (ex)Christian folks struggle with guilt for having “impure thoughts”, that appears to be a flawed approach. You can’t control what kinds of thoughts spontaneously appear in your mind. Imo you should simply be aware that these thoughts are separate from your intentions and actions towards that person, and don’t guide those actions.
Keep in mind that the Bible treats adultery as property crime against the father or husband of that particular woman. If you try to apply Jesus’ teachings to infidelity specifically, you must wrestle with a bunch of historical and cultural baggage. Nothing wrong with treating a story as inspirational, but again, be aware that you’re making Jesus more cool and progressive than he probably deserves.
Yeah, Jesus is prone to hyperbole, agree on that.
- Match!! ( @match@pawb.social ) English5•2 months ago
Thoughtcrime requires crime, which is when punishment is in the control of cops. Jesus says that righteousness should only be self-enforced or God-enforced
- conditional_soup ( @conditional_soup@lemm.ee ) 41•2 months ago
Evangelicals: “Jesus? Who? You mean Paul, right?”
Fucking this. The amount of Evangelicals who cite Paul as if he’s CHRIST HIMSELF really fucking boils my piss. I have to stop and tell them “that’s not JESUS you’re citing, but Paul, try again.”
- Omgboom ( @Omgboom@lemmy.zip ) 15•2 months ago
Part of the mental gymnastics they use to justify putting Paul on the level of Jesus is that the holy spirit (Jesus’ gaseous state) was speaking through the apostles.
- I_am_10_squirrels ( @I_am_10_squirrels@beehaw.org ) 7•2 months ago
My gaseous state also speaks
- conditional_soup ( @conditional_soup@lemm.ee ) 4•2 months ago
Lmao, now I’m imagining Jesus as a Les Enfants Terribles program. Maybe we can get David Hayter to voice Solid Jesus
- unalivejoy ( @joyjoy@lemm.ee ) English11•2 months ago
Paul? You mean Saul the Thief?
- Lyre ( @Lyre@lemmy.ca ) 19•2 months ago
It’s astonishing how pretty much everything distasteful in the new testament comes from Paul. If you took him out you’d lose 70% of the story but it would be so much more palatable as a religious text
- blaue_Fledermaus ( @blaue_Fledermaus@mstdn.io ) 4•2 months ago
The problem with Paul is that people see “Law Paul” and ignore “Grace Paul”.
When Paul talks about law and rules he means for people to look into themselves and see their own failings, not unlike John the Baptist, and see their own need of Jesus’ grace, not to condemn other people.
He even declares himself as the worst of sinners.And he also shares Jesus’ view that the law should be interpreted as to protect people.
- Omgboom ( @Omgboom@lemmy.zip ) 17•2 months ago
Paul who never met Jesus? Yep that Paul
- letsgo ( @letsgo@lemm.ee ) 1•2 months ago
No, a different Paul; see Acts 9, 4-5.
- daniskarma ( @daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 27•2 months ago
Literally Jesus: “Love each other as I have love you”.
Conservative Christians: Did this morherfucker command me to hate any single human being for any dumbr reason? I think he did.
- molave ( @mo_lave@reddthat.com ) 4•2 months ago
meow
- moosetwin ( @moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English4•2 months ago
do it, no (eye)balls