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piefedderatedd ( piefedderatedd@piefed.social )  to Climate@slrpnk.netEnglish · 2 years ago

‘Not acceptable in a democracy’: UN expert condemns lengthy Just Stop Oil sentences

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‘Not acceptable in a democracy’: UN expert condemns lengthy Just Stop Oil sentences

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Michel Forst, UN special rapporteur, joins growing chorus of voices criticising jail terms handed to five defendants
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  • SorteKanin ( SorteKanin@feddit.dk ) 
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    People in here are arguing about whether the government should be able to allow or disallow protests, i.e. “legal” or “illegal” protests.

    I think Denmark has a good middle ground solution to this: Protests must be declared to the police ahead of time, so they know it is happening. Note that this is not an application or an ask for permission! You always have permission, you only have to make the police aware that you are protesting, so they can monitor it and ensure it follows law and order and doesn’t turn violent.

    • tobogganablaze ( tobogganablaze@lemmus.org ) 
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      You always have permission*

      * terms and conditions may apply

  • Prandom_returns ( Prandom_returns@lemm.ee ) 
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    Guys, I’m planning to cause a traffic jam, and you all are invited.

    Oh wait, that’s just normal traffic. Oh well, see y’all in jail.

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    Just Stop Oil are the people that were blocking traffic of normal everyday citizens.

    Their sentences weren’t lengthy enough in my opinion.

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        • Annoyed_🦀  ( Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc ) 
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          Government sanctioned protest ain’t no protest lol. If you’re protesting the government action by asking their permission, might as well write them angry letter so they can throw it in the bin quicker.

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            • Superb ( superb@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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              Actually I can justify breaking a law that I find unjust ❤️

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        • mindlesscrollyparrot ( mindlesscrollyparrot@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
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          On Armistice Day, EDL protesters marched towards the Cenotaph (without permission) and launched fireworks that were intended to hit people and did strike policemen in the face. Let’s see if they get 5 years.

          https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/11/world/far-right-protestors-disrupt-armistice-day-london/index.html

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            • mindlesscrollyparrot ( mindlesscrollyparrot@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
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              It would be the maximum possible sentence for assault.

              https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/outlines/assault/

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      Peaceful protest should not be a cause for government punishment at all, this sentence is absolutely insane and should be revoked at the earliest convenience.

      The new government should restore our right to protest policies without fear of imprisonment.

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        There is nothing peaceful about blocking traffic.

        It is first off illegal to protest on a busy road unless you’ve acquired a permit and have a way to redirect traffic. What they were doing were illegal protests.

        Second, it doesn’t matter what your message is. If you block traffic, you are the biggest cunt there is, and you are actively harming your own cause by showing the world what kind of people you are. If you’ve seen the videos, and read the comments, you know that 99% of the people are cheering when angry drivers pull the protesters by their hair out of the streets.

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          The entitlement of some people the moment they have a car. “Somebody took 20min of my time, they literally deserve 5 years in jail and to be assaulted in public.”. You’re sick, nothing your doing is important, sit in traffic and seeth. If you don’t like it, take the train.

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      Booo. This is a bad opinion. You should feel bad.

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        • mrpants ( mrpants@midwest.social ) 
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          Lol you’re delusional if you think that most people would want others imprisoned for years for conspiring to cause traffic or even to cause it.

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            Go to youtube. Search “just stop oil protests”. Open up the comment section. Come back here and let me know how it went.

            • Sas [she/her] ( Sas@beehaw.org ) 
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              YouTube comments are almost always a cesspool of bad opinions so I’d rather not.

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                • Prandom_returns ( Prandom_returns@lemm.ee ) 
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                  Literally this.

                  No tolerance for intolerance.

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    • apotheotic (she/her) ( apotheotic@beehaw.org ) 
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      Do you think that their protest action should instead not inconvenience anyone so that it can continue to be ignored like all climate protests of that nature have been for decades?

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        • apotheotic (she/her) ( apotheotic@beehaw.org ) 
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          So yes, you want people to protest in the same manner that has been ignored for decades. Gotcha.

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    • bane_killgrind ( bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net ) 
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      The problem with “they should have a plan” is that we have viable plans and nobody that’s currently benefiting from oil will take any steps towards implementing them.

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    It is not acceptable anywhere. This “in a democracy” bit is just taking away blaim from dictator who do this kind of stuff all the time.

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      No, the point of the sentence isn’t to take away blame. It is to compare them to dictatorships. I.E. Add more blame

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