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A picture of a skinny female orc with the side of her head shaved. She wears an armless red dress and a black shawl, as well as matching red bracelets and a black choker with a gold heart at the front.

At the top of the image is the text “You may not like it, but this is what” in large bubble font

At the bottom of the image is a screenshot from the new D&D changelog, reading “• Orcs no longer have the Powerful Build feature.”

And below that, the text “Peak 2024 D&D orc performance looks like” continues the bubble font from the top.

      • FiniteBanjo ( FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today ) 
        1·
        2 years ago

        I like to think those are two very separate issues. Since they’re not selling or repackaging the art from pinterest it is fair and protected use. AI Art, conversely, is pretty much always shit and unethical and by very nature stolen and sold without consent of real artists.

        • Kedly ( Kedly@lemm.ee ) 
          2·
          2 years ago

          How the fuck is directly stealing art from an artist more fair use than making an entirely new piece of artwork that was trained off of (MANY) other artwork(s) if both arent being used for profit?

          • FiniteBanjo ( FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today ) 
            4·
            2 years ago

            If you take a picture of my painting, idgaf. If you sell those pictures as your work and don’t even credit me, we’ve got a problem.

            Your failure to grasp such simple ethics is astounding.

            • Kedly ( Kedly@lemm.ee ) 
              1·
              2 years ago

              You are assuming the vast majority of AI works are made for sale, they arent. One artists contribution to any AI work is miniscule. A picture grabbed off pinterest is 100% that singular artists work who NEVER got asked if they were ok with someone using that image since it probably wasnt even the artist that put it on Pinterest.

              You’re a hypocrite that just doesnt like AI because the internet told you not to. Pinterest is 300x more closer to theft than AI Art is.

                • Kedly ( Kedly@lemm.ee ) 
                  3·
                  2 years ago

                  If someone goes into an art museum and gets inspired by an Emily Carr painting so much that they go home and paint their own back yard in her style, if they dont think to credit her when they show their friends their painting, is that stealing from Emily Carr? Howabout if they were instead inspired by the entire museum, and used bits amd pieces of art styles from so many different art pieces to the point they dont know which parts of their own painting to credit to which artist? Is that more theft than the Emily Carr example? Or Less?

        • Ahdok ( ahdok@ttrpg.network ) 
          1·
          2 years ago

          5e does use “racial traits” to define most of the characteristics of a species other than age, height and weight though, but… since this is about height and weight, let’s work through what the rules actually say:

          In current 5e, the current orc stats have this text under Height and Weight:

          "Player characters, regardless of race, typically fall into the same ranges of height and weight that humans have in our world. "

          There isn’t really anything, anywhere, in the orc kit that suggests they can’t be skinny or lithe. In fact, the key art for the Orc race depicts quite a skinny orc.

          Now, despite this, someone might want to use the rules text to say “orcs are massive” regardless. If you do want to make this argument, the only thing there that supports the statement is a racial trait. Specifically: the Powerful Build feature, which implies that orcs are bulky.

          If you argue “traits don’t define the characteristics of a species” then there’s nothing at all to suggest orcs should be big. If you do accept “traits” as being able to define the characteristics of a species, then you can point to the powerful build trait as evidence, but that’s all there is.

          The joke in this post here is thus: If you were to take that feature out, you’re just left describing human builds.

          Now you can have any mental image you like, run your games how you want, use whatever interpretation you want… You can say “I know what orcs are like from other media experiences, and they’re large.” That’s all fine. You can do whatever you want.

          Just remember that this post is just a joke. It’s saying “look! they removed the only thing that says orcs are big, so here’s what happens.” That’s all.