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But one compiling error is Java is 7 run time errors in python.
There is a type error and you couldn’t have known it beforehand? Thanks for nothing
I will confess that I get a sense of psychological comfort from strict typing, even though everyone agrees Python is faster for a quick hack. I usually go with Haskell for quick stuff.
I find Python is quick for the first 30 minutes. If you need any kind of libraries, or assistance from an IDE, or a distribution build, or you’re more familiar with another language, then it isn’t quicker.
I won’t feel bad about it then, lol. At least not until I’m collabing on something and they want to use Python.
And then the quick hack gets a permanent solution and the next employee has to fight trough the spagetti.
sounds like not my problem
You will find yourself being that next person when you haven’t touched the code for a week and come back to add something and are like wtf.
The circle of 1!f€
This may be true, but it’s equally true in any programming language, so not really relevant.
I’d guess it’s less true for something statically typed, just because that reduces the ways it can be unintuitive.
I firmly believe that every language has an equal proportion of spaghetti code to clean code. The only factor that might screw with this is how much a language is used in industry, which I’d expect raises the ratio. However, there’s plenty of hobbyists writing spaghetti code too so I don’t think even that factor has much effect.
Really? Doesn’t that imply non-spaghetti brainfuck or assembly?
Okay, I’ll grant you brainfuck… As for assembly, I don’t think it’s inherently spaghetti. You can split it up into functions just like you can with an actual programming language. It’s not impossible to make structured code.
That said, I never coded assembly outside of a mandatory university course, so I don’t feel super confident in saying that. But I don’t think of it as a programming language anyway - it’s a 1:1 translation to/from machine code, and machine code isn’t meant to make programming easy or scalable.
Such is life.
I wrote my bachelor’s thesis in Haskell and have never touched it again.
A lot of people feel that way. If I need to generate a set of numbers or a certain string, though, it’s pretty easy to punch out a one-liner in GHCi, and that’s usually my use case.
Did everyone become stupid in the last 10 or so years? We used to write huge apps in Python without any type checkers or static analysis tools and never had any problems we wouldn’t have had in statically typed languages.
In Java you get a bunch of unexpected NullPointerExceptions instead…
I find it’s possible to operate Python as a statically typed language if you wanted, though it takes some setup with external tooling. It wasn’t hard, but had to set up pyright, editor integration, configuration to type check strictly and along with tests, and CI.
I even find the type system to be far more powerful than how I remembered Java’s to be (though I’m not familiar with the newest Java versions).
Java feels like McDonald’s and python feels like a grocery store.
Rust feels like a femboi hooters where they offer IVs you don’t think they’re qualified to administer.
I don’t understand any of these analogies at all
Me neither but now I’m interested in Femboi-Hooters 👀
Python, Java/TypeScript, C#, Swift, Go…
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It’s about writing the code, not execution time. Otherwise Assembly wouldn’t take 7 years…
Some languages are just worse to work with. like JavaScript. Console.log is like sure I’ll log your object but I’ll tell you what it is now, not what it was when you logged it.
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I’d just like to highlight what you mention below: Logging it as an object allows you to inspect it in the browser console, presumably with some JSON tree representation, rather than just a dumb string.
It’s described in the “Outputting a single object” example here: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/console#examples
I’ve never had a complaint about logging stuff in python. It generally does what I expect.
“Create a copy of your object and print that” is what I ended up doing, but I don’t think most people would say that’s intuitive. I expect if i print something at a particular time, I get what it is at that point in time.
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And 42 seconds in jython.
