• The circle remains unbroken: Police react with minimal investigation, numbers are logged. The insurance pays out and premiums are increased. There are ample thieves and buyers. The ports collect cargo fees, and many containers are unchecked when the vehicles are shipped away. The auto company makes and sells another vehicle. The politicians react. Some excuse the criminals and others excoriate the accused. They react and raise taxes.

    This is the effect of crumbling institutions not the cause of it, although it reinforces the feedback loop. Keep shrinking the state by putting more of its functions into entities only responsible to their major shareholders and watch it get worse. It’s been the program since the modern resurgence of market fundamentalism (neoliberalism).

    • I agree with you, and another way of looking at it is that the system is working perfectly as intended. The people who are happy with it are the ones who have the power to change it, but they don’t want to, because there’s no benefit to them.

  • Our car got stolen from out driveway in Waterdown. When we called the police they said:

    Why are you calling us, call your insurance company

    The neighbour’s CRV was stolen 24hrs later. Police don’t prevent crime they only punish those that police suspect of being a criminal (or people they just don’t like). Cut their funding and put it into education, healthcare or transit.

    • I work on a construction site. We have cameras everywhere. One night a bunch of guys came with a company truck and started loading up copper pipes and going through job boxes looking for tools. The police were called and they said they weren’t going to come out because the guys might have weapons.

  • I fully support citizens stepping in to fight crime if they are willing and able.

    If you knew where your stolen property was, you should have automatic legal protection for whatever it takes to get it back.

    It’s crazy to have a taxpayer funded criminal and legal system that isn’t working for them.

      • I wouldn’t want violence to be the answer to anything, but if balanced and appropriate force is needed to safely retrieve your property, then you should be protected by law.

        For example, if you’re going to get your stolen bike back, you should be 100% legally protected if the dickwad who stole is needs to be restrained (for your safety), or if their backyard gate needs to be broken open.

        And if the dickwad decides to use violence, you should be 100% protected for using self-defence.

        The caveat, of course, is that you better be damn sure that someone is in possession of your property, and that appropriate force, if necessary, is used.

        If it turns out that you violated someone’s rights or broke into the wrong property, you should have to face consequences.

        • Canada’s self defense laws are garbage; we have a duty to retreat, so if you go looking for your stolen property and have to defend yourself, you’re getting in trouble for it.

          But I do realize you were talking about what the laws should be, not what they are

          • Yes, what they should be. And you are right, there’s no protection for law abiding citizens who are the victims. All benefit goes to criminals, and our “10 strikes and we’ll give you another chance” way of doing things is clearly not in favour for the rest of us.

            • FTR, I don’t think longer sentences against individual perpetrators is the solution. There are always more poor kids to pull into the gang.

              The only way to successfully deal with violent gangs is actual good investigation; implicate the people in charge, and put them in jail instead of their patsies. In the USA they’d use RICO to do so if they wanted to, which they don’t. Here in Canada, I’m not sure which law would be the most effective route, but it probably doesn’t matter anyways

    • I 100% agree with this, but instead we have rulings like Khill.

      Despite the government and courts discouraging it, I hope more citizens take matters into their own hands in ways that increase the actual risk to car thieves. Perhaps the government will start taking it seriously after that.

  •  jerkface   ( @jerkface@lemmy.ca ) 
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    Elected officials must take decisive action. We need stronger deterrents, enhanced enforcement resources and a clear, co-ordinated strategy. Stop reacting, please. We need a response.

    Jessica doesn’t know what we need. Jessica is scared and Wants Someone To Do Something. “Stronger deterrents” never work, have never worked, and we KNOW they won’t work. We are already paying more for law enforcement than we can reasonably afford.

    I dunno, this is fishy.