- CaptainBasculin ( @CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml ) English96•6 days ago
If your country persecutes individual piracy. Mine doesn’t.
- BakedCatboy ( @BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml ) English33•6 days ago
Our ISP sends 3 strike letters :(
- youmaynotknow ( @jjlinux@lemmy.ml ) English28•6 days ago
Our ISPs are too cheap and lazy to even try looking. I still use I2P, but only because I need to justify my tin foil hats collection.
- Damage ( @Damage@feddit.it ) English10•6 days ago
I’m pretty sure our ISPs would advertise piracy if they could
- youmaynotknow ( @jjlinux@lemmy.ml ) English2•6 days ago
They pirate and sell the service locally 🤣🤣
- Robust Mirror ( @Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone ) English5•6 days ago
That is supposedly the case in Australia as well but I haven’t got a letter from telstra since around 2004 and I have never used a VPN and watch all my shows and movies via torrents so either I’m extremely lucky or they stopped bothering.
Though recently I started paying the $4 / month for Real Debrid for better streaming performance, which is just as good as a VPN for torrent anonymity. I used to be fundamentally against the idea of paying anything to pirate but honestly this is worth it, I’ve even been able to watch a few shows that had 0 seeders because they were previously cached.
- Norah - She/They ( @princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) English11•6 days ago
Scroll down and there’s a section about Australia on here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Buyers_Club
Basically, they fucked it up so bad in Aus no one’s ever tried again.
- psud ( @psud@aussie.zone ) English8•6 days ago
That says their error was trying American threats “we got you dead to rights, tell us your income and we’ll tell you how much to pay our we’ll sue for punitive damages”
Which isn’t legal in Australia. They would have been ok if they had asked to send a letter saying “stop it or pay us a reasonable amount for one person viewing the film once” but of course actual damages aren’t enough for film companies
They were too greedy.
- Norah - She/They ( @princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) English4•5 days ago
Yeah basically. But part of why no one has tried again is because the judge made it very clear he wasn’t going to just roll over and let them pull their BS. Including setting a bond of $600k for them to even try litigating it. Another part of it is that ISPs used to hand out IP addresses and PII in response to requests from media companies. This was found to be in breach of privacy laws and now those companies would have to apply for court orders, proving malfeasance, to get that information.
- Lee Duna ( @throws_lemy@lemmy.nz ) English2•5 days ago
Yep, my govt only cares about porn, manga, hentai, online gambling sites, reddit and duckduckgo.
- SagXD ( @sag@lemm.ee ) English1•5 days ago
Why DDG?
- (⬤ᴥ⬤) ( @nicknonya@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) English1•3 days ago
racist against ducks
- SagXD ( @sag@lemm.ee ) English1•3 days ago
Oh Yea Kiwi people
- hamid 🏴 ( @hamid@vegantheoryclub.org ) English61•6 days ago
Yeah there is no way Surfshark, NordVPN and other services are compromised and or straight up run by the NSA
- Blackmist ( @Blackmist@feddit.uk ) English26•6 days ago
In fairness I doubt the NSA give a single solitary fuck about piracy and aren’t about to give themselves up over a telesync rip of Beetlejuice 2.
But probably best to plan 9/11 part 2 over something a bit more secure.
- SaharaMaleikuhm ( @SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ) English18•6 days ago
Bro I’m downloading Final Fantasy, not running a pedo marketplace. I will be fine.
- headerfile ( @headerfile@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) English12•6 days ago
do you have a moment to talk about our lord and saviour mullvad vpn
- pewgar_seemsimandroid ( @pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) English9•6 days ago
what about proton or mullvad?
- sunzu2 ( @sunzu2@thebrainbin.org ) 1•4 days ago
Both are considered strong choices but again… This is 100% trust me bro.
But that’s the people the bros chose to trust
- Telorand ( @Telorand@reddthat.com ) English7•6 days ago
Are you suggesting that it’s pointless to use a VPN?
- liveinthisworld ( @liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English1•4 days ago
For anonymity, yes. Sure you might fool Google trying to match your IP to your traffic but that’s about it
- Telorand ( @Telorand@reddthat.com ) English1•4 days ago
How so, specifically for logless VPNs?
- liveinthisworld ( @liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English3•4 days ago
Technically speaking, VPN logs tend to include the IP address of clients connecting to them, after which the good VPN providers like Mullvad, IVPN and maybe PIA tend to purge them somewhere in their process. Now, if the VPN is running in a RAM-only node, then these logs probably don’t touch storage, which means there’s not much need to shred information from hard drives for the VPN provider.
With that said, an ISP can technically log your traffic and see that you’re connecting to the IP range associated with a VPN. That and perhaps some more covert side-channel/correlation attacks can, in theory, compromise your identity.
Of course, this is going deep into OPSEC and forensics, and I don’t think the NSA is that interested in the average Billy torrenting “The Office” to go through that many logs, even if the studios sue in court. Hence, technically your privacy is somewhat maintained with the good VPN providers, but you’re definitely not anonymous
- Telorand ( @Telorand@reddthat.com ) English3•4 days ago
That’s kind of my thought as well. It’s certainly possible someone might go through the effort to find a single pirate downloading The Lion King, but that’s a lot of effort (read: money) to find just one person.
There’s certainly the possibility that an ISP could note that you connected to a VPN, but given that it’s not a remarkable event, since people connect to VPNs for all kinds of legal reasons, they aren’t likely to track your particular IP’s connection to a VPN apart from a court ordering them to care. They get paid their monthly internet plan price whether someone pirates or checks their email.
If someone was running the Pirate Bay from their home servers, however, more parties would likely be interested in finding that person, and that person’s threat model probably exceeds just using a logless VPN.
- liveinthisworld ( @liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English3•4 days ago
Maybe I should have said “it’s not anonymous based on your threat model”
- hamid 🏴 ( @hamid@vegantheoryclub.org ) English3•6 days ago
Yes, a hosted seedbox paid with crypto and self managed keys is the way to go for torrenting
- myersguy ( @myersguy@lemmy.simpl.website ) English10•6 days ago
If you are worried about VPN’s, why are you not worried about seedbox providers?
- liveinthisworld ( @liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English1•5 days ago
As he said, paid with crypto and managed with his own keys. I don’t see how the seedbox provider can trace you if you do that, so there’s not that much to worry about
- myersguy ( @myersguy@lemmy.simpl.website ) English2•4 days ago
You’re going to connect to the seedbox at some point, which ties your IP to the traffic. If you are worried about a VPN attaching your IP to traffic, this is no different, no?
- liveinthisworld ( @liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English1•4 days ago
SFTP over TOR. This should be a requirement at this point.
If you’re not doing that, then yes you’re technically right in that seedbox companies can be subpoenaed too. I usually use TOR to copy over what little I torrent.
- hamid 🏴 ( @hamid@vegantheoryclub.org ) English2•6 days ago
I am not worried about my torrenting traffic. I am worried about installing their software on my machine and giving them wide access including port mirroring.
- sus ( @sus@programming.dev ) English1•5 days ago
if you can’t connect to a vpn using only open source software, that’s a crappy vpn
- Telorand ( @Telorand@reddthat.com ) English3•6 days ago
What evidence do you have that no-log VPNs are compromised by the NSA? What about VPNs based in other countries like Canada?
- KillingTimeItself ( @KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English3•6 days ago
the US has so much geopolitical reach that companies in canada or elsewhere would just hand over the question if it was high enough profile.
- Telorand ( @Telorand@reddthat.com ) English3•6 days ago
That’s an interesting point, but I think the “if it’s high profile enough” is key. People torrenting files is probably low on their priorities. On the other hand, somebody organizing a terrorist cell is probably much higher.
Companies might have an interest in finding pirates, but it would not be as easy for them to get other companies to comply with their subpoenas.
- KillingTimeItself ( @KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English3•6 days ago
yeah if ur just a dude pirating, it probably doesn’t matter, but if they find you’ve done a large crime, you can bet your ass that shits getting yoinked from you.
companies might, but that’s almost entirely through legal processes. ceast and desists, required reporting, etc…
- hamid 🏴 ( @hamid@vegantheoryclub.org ) English1•6 days ago
You might have heard about Edward Snowden? Have you looked into anything that he leaked?
- Telorand ( @Telorand@reddthat.com ) English10•6 days ago
The existence of the NSA and their activities is not proof that they have backdoors in VPNs. That’s bogeyman conspiracy theory shit—“they could be anywhere, therefore they’re everywhere!”
You still haven’t answered the question, and I’m beginning to think you are making shit up based on paranoia.
- hamid 🏴 ( @hamid@vegantheoryclub.org ) English1•6 days ago
Go ahead and use these services. I don’t care about you, what you do or what you think. You are deeply unserious if you are not paranoid about the surveillance and I really have nothing to discuss with you.
- psud ( @psud@aussie.zone ) English2•6 days ago
Is your home machine, your phone, better protected than the VPN servers? I bet you’re not as good at IT security as the IT security staff VPN companies hire
If your threat model includes nation state actors, you’re best off not using networked computers
- sunzu2 ( @sunzu2@thebrainbin.org ) 1•4 days ago
I am all about good tinfoil but some of these people acting as if they are SNOWDEN lol
Yes if feds wanted to catch you shitposting, watching big titied asian porn and downloading coldplay… I think there raised ways than compromising a VPN provider.
Unless it is a honey pot, then use a different VPN provider. Gonna need trust at the end of the day.
- Appoxo ( @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English2•6 days ago
At least if the company is run from the US
- socsa ( @socsa@piefed.social ) English4•5 days ago
Everyone knows it’s impossible for the NSA to buy rack space in Bulgaria, where they literally don’t have to deal with any US legal process.
It’s also impossible for the NSA to market such a service via pop-privacy blogs and social media profiles.
The funny part about this is that the Snowden leaks showed that the NSA actually put a lot of effort into doing shit like this specifically to avoid all the paperwork which came with accidentally collecting data from US citizens. Keeping the data and analysis off shore means no pesky FISA paperwork.
- Telorand ( @Telorand@reddthat.com ) English2•6 days ago
Why?
- winkerjadams ( @winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English6•6 days ago
Because if the government wants that data then they are gonna get it. If it’s in another country its a lot more work than just serving them a warrant like it is if they are USbased
- Telorand ( @Telorand@reddthat.com ) English4•6 days ago
At least that’s a more reasonable answer than trying to imply the NSA has backdoors everywhere.
My position is that it all depends on your threat model. The government isn’t likely to go after someone who torrents files and is hidden by a VPN. The government might go after someone running a streaming site, on the other hand.
And even that might wind up with a dead end. AirVPN (for example) is Canada-based, has no logs, and accepts both crypto and anonymous cash payments.
- Rogers ( @Rogers@lemmy.ml ) English6•6 days ago
Title is probably true, but also it’s less likely for the NSA to leak your info than say an ISP that openly sells your info. I highly doubt that the NSA sees someone pirating Photoshop as a priority. VPNs can help with preventing a random ad from logging your real loose location, have built in DNS ad block, open up region locked content plus a list of other benefits.
VPNs absolutely help with general privacy, like not putting your personal phone number on a public registry. They are not intended to perfectly hide you from a super power’s intelligence agency lol
- x00za ( @x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English4•5 days ago
I don’t think they care about piracy.
- AnokLola ( @AnokLola@lemm.ee ) English15•5 days ago
And please don’t use anime girls to refer to every fucking thing in the world
- DoucheBagMcSwag ( @DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English8•5 days ago
I mean this is Persona 5 and this is 100% what Futaba would say and do
- TheObviousSolution ( @TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee ) English12•5 days ago
A VPN is just essentially a change in ISP.
- sus ( @sus@programming.dev ) English13•5 days ago
importantly it’s (hopefully) an ISP that operates from a less copyright-happy country and isn’t tied down to tons of expensive infrastructure and long-term contracts
- dan ( @dan@upvote.au ) English10•5 days ago
And make sure it’s a VPN that supports port forwarding. Sharing is caring.
or just use Usenet.
- Deceptichum ( @Deceptichum@quokk.au ) English41•6 days ago
I don’t use a VPN because my government has acknowledged that an IP address cannot identify what individual was using it.
- RandomLegend [He/Him] ( @RandomLegend@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English42•6 days ago
wouldn’t trust that tbh
- psud ( @psud@aussie.zone ) English1•6 days ago
I know that government prosecutions for fraud against government use IP addresses
The IP address identifies the company or home the fraud was done from, the account the money went to identifies the individual
If breaking the law and able to afford to make it difficult for prosecutors, it’s probably best to make it difficult for the prosecutors, we may have an activist pro copyright holder government in future and logs are forever (or 5 years)
- DavidGarcia ( @DavidGarcia@feddit.nl ) English35•6 days ago
I2P I2P I2P I2P I2P I2P I2P I2P I2P I2P I2P I2P I2P I2P I2P I2P I2P I2P I2P I2P I2P I2P I2P I2P
- headerfile ( @headerfile@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) English6•6 days ago
watched the mental outlaw video i see
- Southern Wolf ( @southernwolf@pawb.social ) English5•6 days ago
Yeah, if you don’t mind it possibly taking a week to download something… Really like the idea, but in practice it’s very slow for something like that, unless you got a lot of seeders for something maybe.
- r00ty ( @r00ty@kbin.life ) 26•6 days ago
Instructions unclear, VPN’d into my own home network.
- sigmaklimgrindset ( @sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz ) English19•6 days ago
Even Haru’s billionaire ass can’t afford all these subscriptions 😭
- Gregor ( @gregor@gregtech.eu ) English18•6 days ago
My country doesn’t care, so it’s not necessary
- whoareu ( @kionite231@lemmy.ca ) English2•6 days ago
Let me guess India?
- Gregor ( @gregor@gregtech.eu ) English7•6 days ago
You missed by a looooong shot, it’s Slovenia.
- ColdWater ( @ColdWater@lemmy.ca ) English5•6 days ago
Maybe? But basically 90% of the countries in Asia continent doesn’t really care about digital piracy
- TheImpressiveX ( @TheImpressiveX@lemmy.ml ) English15•6 days ago
Who is the original artist?
- kn0wmad1c ( @kn0wmad1c@programming.dev ) English14•6 days ago
Not sure about the artist, but these are characters from the game Persona 5 (Haru and Futaba)
- TheImpressiveX ( @TheImpressiveX@lemmy.ml ) English1•6 days ago
Okay, thanks!
- Fl1ppyR34 ( @Fl1ppyR34@ani.social ) English7•6 days ago
@negglartz on that place Elongated Musksticles ruined
- Destide ( @sirico@feddit.uk ) English12•6 days ago
I use Comcast VPN cheaper than mullvad /s
- Lemongrab ( @Lemongrab@lemmy.one ) English5•6 days ago
Nah, Verizon VPN is better
- voxel ( @vox@sopuli.xyz ) English9•5 days ago
i never hav to use one lmao
- YourPrivatHater ( @YourPrivatHater@ani.social ) English7•6 days ago
Or pirat through a public library proxy :)
- Melatonin ( @Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English2•6 days ago
Explain this to me more thoroughly? Does this mean physically going to the library and using their Wi-Fi? Or are you talking about something else?
- YourPrivatHater ( @YourPrivatHater@ani.social ) English2•6 days ago
I have a proxy host on a library terminal Server and a VPN through/to their firewall (its actually a network of Libraries