It all started with the unofficial godot discord admin dealing with some chuds and people turning their ire towards the Godot Foundation staff instead.
Since Godot has stubbornly remained on the Xitter nazi bar as a valid space for PR and social media interaction and dared to promote the Wokot hashtag and reiterate their progessiveness, the reactionaries infesting that space are now piling on their socials and harassing everyone they can get their eyes on.
Examples
- https://x.com/LifeArtStudios/status/1840230152254509067
- https://x.com/Grummz/status/1840162056928145740
- https://x.com/madewithgodot/status/1841118786964840618
Anyway, solidarity with the targets of harassment. I hope they finally realize that Xitter is a lost cause.
Update: Godot is being review-bombed
Fortunately the reactionary backlash seems to be having the opposite effect
Nice to see some figures on the change in support levels. I was donating €5 a month and I’ve bumped it up to €50 for the next few months.
I get the impression that a lot of the people complaining on twitter are not even gamedevs and don’t know what Godot is, it’s just the reactionary pile-on du jour.
The flagbearer is ofc grummz, the terminally online ex-gamedev chud who turned to shit every game he touched and has had his right-wing grifting platform on Xitter massively boosted in recent years.
Unsurprisingly most gamedevs, at least the ones that make good games, are either minorities themselves, or positive to their/our plight
After all, the best art isn’t made by the people who enshrine conservative ideals
This is evident in a few ways:
- How they subtly or glaringly misunderstand what it is and what it does
- How they call it “a company”
- How they pronounce it as GO-DOT
It’s actually really funny to see review bomb attempts on a non-profit FOSS project. No shareholders to appease, no profits to they need to protect, just a community of people contributing to the tool they use.
I’d say, it’s a bit concerning since review bombing can turn away people who are uncertain about using Godot, or donating to it.
I would be curious how many people in that boat find themselves looking at steam reviews in order to make a decision. It didn’t even occur to me until this happened that the reviews exist.
I also did not know the page existed
Finally a place I can share my cold takes. (I’m not on Twitter, I won’t discuss this on Reddit either.)
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The community manager had a meltdown and blocking everyone was a power trip and was wrong.
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Godot’s tweet was wrong, because it used the word “woke” which immediately drives any conversation into the gutter. Doesn’t matter if you’re on the right or left, as soon as you say the word “woke” you have ruined the conversation.
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It is good that Godot explicitly supports LGBT+ people. They should be welcome. The community CoC should make this explicit, and it does. A tweet to reaffirm this is fine, a cringe joke born from the dredges of Twitter is less fine.
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Godot’s “revenge forks” are amusing and will not go anywhere. Someone might collect some donations before grifting into the night though.
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None of this has any effect on Godot’s technical suitability for creating a game.
I’ll share mine too.
The community manager had a meltdown and blocking everyone was a power trip and was wrong.
Apparently they did receive a large number of tweets that genuinely warranted a ban, but some innocent people got caught in the crossfire. If this is true then Godot did the right thing by responding as neutrally as they can and giving people a way to get unbanned. If it’s not, then yeah very wrong.
Additionally, the Twitter manager apparently said some unprofessional stuff on her personal. I think there was something about her requesting a shower pic from a very large controversial streamer. I feel like that sort of action would bring attention from trolls.
Also I think there was something about a discord mod saying some dehumanising things about the “anti woke” people. Even if these people were causing trouble and deserved a ban, you shouldn’t dehumanise them. That will just make them more aggressive and convince them that “woke” people are indeed some kind of adversary.
Godot’s tweet was wrong, because it used the word “woke” which immediately drives any conversation into the gutter. Doesn’t matter if you’re on the right or left, as soon as you say the word “woke” you have ruined the conversation.
I think that word is loosely defined. To the drama people “woke/wokism” seems to relate to the idea of people aggressively wanting all media to contain pro lgbt messaging. I think the official meaning relates to awareness of modern issues. “Woke” seems to be a political term, but I suppose some people feel like calling “woke” political is harmful to lgbt rights?
I think inviting people to present their “wokot” is fine, but it probably shouldn’t be done from an official account.
It is good that Godot explicitly supports LGBT+ people. They should be welcome. The community CoC should make this explicit, and it does. A tweet to reaffirm this is fine, a cringe joke born from the dredges of Twitter is less fine.
Hard agree! Strongly agree!
Godot’s “revenge forks” are amusing and will not go anywhere. Someone might collect some donations before grifting into the night though. None of this has any effect on Godot’s technical suitability for creating a game.
Agreed. Give it a year or two. Possibly sooner. It’ll be somewhat interesting if they do go somewhere and contribute something, although I doubt that will happen.
Regardless of what happened and how it will turn out. If Godot increased their budget, even if it was in an unprofessional way, I guess this is an entirely positive thing for people who aren’t on those proprietary social platforms.
Revenge fork is a weird name for these forks. A fork is a fork, even a tiny change like changing the logo is a legitimate fork.
If anything if the Godot community could stop harassing the fork owners, that would be great. Them receiving harassment is the most ironic part about this, because there is more proof of that than the harassment the Godot community manager claims they faced.
20% by 20%, the progress bar of me agreeing with this assessment went to a 100% as I was reading it.
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I feel like it’s important to note that eating, breathing, and having a fun time with friends are all very LGBTQ+ activities! #woke
I stand in solidarity with Godot.
Grrrr!! I hate WOKE! 😡😡 /s
Fortunately the reactionary backlash seems to be having the opposite effect
That’s good I suppose.
I don’t care what happens on Twitter. Just so long as the codebase isn’t negatively affected.
I have been seeing some drama YouTubers, who are clearly blowing this out of proportion, talk a lot about this. One thing they’ve been saying that concerns me however, is that apparently there have been people getting banned from help forums and even the GitHub for criticism.
My understanding is that “woke” is a loosely defined political term, so I think requesting Godot be kept free from politics in response to this stuff isn’t something that should require a ban.
Perhaps there were people going too far and getting rightfully banned and some innocent people got caught in the crossfire?
There shouldn’t be any way the MIT license can discriminate between “woke” and “anti-woke”. Godot can be used by everyone. This is just making the drama people lose their credibility. Regardless of what the devs views on this situation are, I could never expect them to come to a decision on this issue so quickly. Let alone act on it. Their main priority should be the code, not the community. Unofficial communities can pop up on their own and self govern.
I am begging you to stop giving credit to drama youtubers, they do not care about the facts and are only in it to farm views.
Oh. Ok. Thank you.
My understanding is that “woke” is a loosely defined political term, so I think requesting Godot be kept free from politics in response to this stuff isn’t something that should require a ban.
I’m a bit 50/50 on that. If they got kinda harassed to the point where they take a simple stance as they did, then saying “please stop being political” is often used as a thin veiled attempt to say “I don’t like your politics” by the people who get so hard triggered by that term, and women, and LGBT stuff, and people of color, etc.
We can see this all the time in other areas too, especially gaming. As soon as a game has a female main character, or even a female main character that isn’t white, or even one that is lesbian or bi, then uppercase Gamers collectively lose their shit. Say something about Nazis? Or Russia? “HoW DaRe YoU BrInG PoLiTiCs InTo MY GaMes!” …
Not saying that was the guy’s intend when he replied that to Godot, but I can see how it could be interpreted as such when they get brigaded by a bunch of toxic replies.
This never crossed my mind, but you are right. Online interactions do lack a lot of context, and it must have been hard (or practically impossible) to discern genuine from malicious calls to remain apolitical in a situation of intense online harassment.
That’s why it’s considered good practice to act on the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.
I didn’t know it was because of them supporting LGBTQ+, mostly because they’ve been doing that for a very long time now and very publicly. I thought most of the backlash stemmed from this;
From what I’ve read, that person is not officially affiliated with the Godot project. They just moderate an unofficial Discord server that is Godot-related.
Oh okay that helps a lot, Thanks. I guess a lot of people are trying to spin it like this is the official server.
Reactionaries don’t tend to care much about reality after they’ve created something to be mad about
seems to be having the opposite effect
unfortunately not for the Steam Reviews overall
Conveniently Godot is not a game and general consumer reviews have no real relevance
more attention for a cool floss game engine, I don’t see this as too bad
@db0 hahahaha the fascists are getting the opposite desired effect!
Tbh I’m not sure what your examples are supposed to demonstrate. Blocking someone for saying they should focus on the engine and not politics is astonishingly thin skinned
Kind of hard to follow the thread of most of this but they sure aren’t disproving how woke they are by blocking people who even slightly disagree with them.
Also it’s just “X” not “Xitter”.
‘Xitter’ is pronounced ‘Shitter’ and is common a playful joke
Ah I see. I would pronounce it “Zitter” but fair enough. I guess if you’re Chinese?
English doesn’t really have a well defined way to write down the “zjush” from the “su” in pleasure.
The most accepted ways are “zh” or “x” in English, or
ʒin IPA.Since most people call it twitter, and Elon want to call it x, so people push them together to make xitter, because it sounds like “shitter” (the crude term for toilet) and because the quality of twitter has declined dramatically to the point that it resembles an unclean toilet.
Interesting. I think zjitter would be the closest I would intuitively pronounce that way.
I don’t really know anything about the quality of X but I think resorting to name calling is insanely. (Some with Micro$oft etc. - haven’t seen that one for a while!)
they sure aren’t disproving how woke they are
Why do you think that they need to be doing this?
Because being woke is generally considered to be a bad thing? (Even if people disagree about what counts as woke.)
If you want to take your emotions out of it, remember “political correctness gone mad”? That’s basically the 90s “woke” and nobody would aspire to it.
Because being woke is generally considered to be a bad thing?
No. Being woke is only considered bad in toxic echo chambers where they’ve tried to poison the word.
Most people who self report as “anti-woke” repeat infectious and carefully crafted but fallacious talking points whenever the term “woke” is said.
But if you bring up a situation where a minority is getting the bad end of the stick and they agree with you that it’s bad, they don’t realise that they themselves are being woke. They agree with being woke so long as the label “woke” isn’t used. It’s when you point that out that they start to realise that they’ve been poisoned against the term.
Being woke simply means that some people don’t often get the same affordances as others.
If you accept the general fact that women tend to get paid less for the same amount of work, then you’re woke.
If you accept the general fact that black people might not get hired if a person doing the hiring is racist, then you’re woke.
If you accept the general fact that some people have to hide the fact that they’re not heterosexual in some countries otherwise they’ll suffer the death penalty, then you’re woke.
Being woke simply means that some people don’t often get the same affordances as others.
See I think that’s not what the “anti-woke” people think it means. Turning to urban dictionary, they’re using this definition:
Umbrella term for individuals who are engrossed by social justice and thinks of themselves as saviors with a moral high ground, but remain willfully ignorant to the irrationality of their claims and the problems they create. These individuals give special treatment to certain minorities in hopes of ending racism and perpetuate mental illnesses as the norm.
Irrespective of whether or not anyone actually is woke, I hope you agree that it wouldn’t be a good thing (according to that definition).
See I think that’s not what the “anti-woke” people think it means.
That’s exactly what I pointed out. The people who provide them their information are actively trying to poison the word to the point that it means something else. But it doesn’t, because the poisoning only works in the echo chambers that spread that information.
Turning to urban dictionary, they’re using this definition: […]
That would be one of the attempts to poison the word. It’s worth pointing out that anyone can add a definition to urban dictionary and it’s quite often that trolls try to overwhelm existing definitions on there.
[…] (according to that definition).
That comes back to what I said before. People who self report as anti-woke are against anything that uses the label “woke”, until they look at what’s under the label and they realise they aren’t against any of the points the “woke” labelled thing is doing.
They’re not actually anti-woke, they’re anti-incorrect-label.
I think you’re in your own echo chamber. It’s not an attempt to poison the word, that’s just how its meaning has gradually evolved.
If you ask the general public - not far left people on Twitter - I think they would be more likely to agree with the definition I linked rather than the original definition (you have "woke"n up to social injustice, which is obviously a good thing).
(I’ll except the “perpetuate mental illnesses as the norm” bit - I think that is veering into the far right rather than what the man on the Clapham omnibus actually thinks.)
Ah, so you don’t actually know what you’re talking about! The term “woke” has turned into a toxic catchall used by the generally hateful to describe anything they don’t agree with socially (aka heteronormative white male). It’s pretty obvious when you look at most the people using the term negatively.
There’s no shame in not knowing something and you’ve got a bit of learning to catch up on, good luck!
Also it’s just “X” not “Xitter”.
Same energy
This has nothing to do with Musk. Honestly these kinds of dismissive comments just make everyone else seem more reasonable.
It’s “Xitter”. “X” is nonsense.
You can’t just start calling yourself “X” and decide the word cisgender is a slur now and not expect people to laugh in your face.
It’s not Xitter. I don’t understand why you think it is. I don’t know what your cisgender comment is talking about.
That’s good and all…
But how do you pronounce Wokot?
Is it wuh-ko?
Maybe Woke-o?I MUST KNOW
@yetAnotherUser @db0 I have to assume, despite the spelling, that it is pronounced Whacko…Not even as a diss, just would find it incredibly amusing. “And dot” is right there too! idk.