Also, many of the technologies that comprise the iphone were developed in universities
All modern devices are made using one form of slave labor or another.
https://ethical.net/technology/the-slavery-supported-the-device-in-your-pocket/
well yeah most of its operating software was derived from opensource projects, but capitalists exploited those opensource project without giving the tinest bit back, so…
If you want to talk about Apple specifically, then consider this. When they began making popular tech like MacBooks and Ipods, they justified the prices by giving free warranties. They would replace or repair any device at no extra cost of the consumer. Well, they stopped doing that and then wanted you to pay an annual fee to get the same service. Then they did away with that and now it’s pay per repair or replacement and the prices went up instead of down. My theory is that was their business target in the first place. Get their products wide spread, and then pull rug out from under the consumer. To me, Apple is the best example of capitalism
AppleCare still exists. So this is misinformation.
And just as an anecdote, I have not felt like Apple has ever “pulled the rug out” on me and I’m an Apple product consumer. Are you?
I was
This isn’t really true.
Apple, at least here in the UK, give a 1 year warranty as is the law and anything repairs that need doing that are not the fault of the consumer (ie dropping and breaking the screen) are covered under this warranty. Furthermore, if there is a problem with a line of products then they will extend the warranties to cover that issue for a longer period of time.
You can pay to have AppleCare+ which will extend this warranty and add on accidental damage too.
There are plenty of legitimate reasons to shit on Apple without having to make up new ones.
Also, iPhones are a lot cheaper than they were a few years ago and they’re cheaper than their Samsung counterparts when comparing Pro vs Pro, etc.
Source: Worked for Apple for 3+ years and I’ve consumed many of their products, although I now only have an iPhone. For what it’s worth MacOS is infinitely better than windows.
MacOS is infinitely better than windows.
Yeah, no. Not even close. If nothing else, window management on MacOS is a fucking joke. The only thing that makes it less shitty is 3 party apps like rectanglesapp.
The settings menu is a fucking joke and laid out by the dumbest motherfuckers you’ve never met.
It prioritizes wifi above Ethernet.
The list goes on and on and on. MacOS is a messy hodgepodge of shit that barely works.
Windows has a lot of issues too, but thankfully, they are always fixable or have a workaround. In many cases, you have zero recourse on MacOS and if you don’t like it you can send an angry email to Mr tim apple.
Are you actually arguing that the settings menu in windows is better than digshit??? Settings on Mac are all in one location lol.
It prioritizes wifi above Ethernet.
No it doesn’t. I don’t know why you think that, do a speed test and you’d easily see that’s not true.
Windows has a lot of issues too, but thankfully, they are always fixable or have a workaround. In many cases, you have zero recourse on MacOS and if you don’t like it you can send an angry email to Mr tim apple.
This is just baloney. Mac is UNIX. You can change pretty much anything you like about it. Your entire comment is pretty much false.
Sure the window management is shit but everything else is a better user experience and it’s not filled with bloatware and ads like windows. Plus it’s Unix based.
Sadly we program with windows at work as we use C# .Net. And my gaming rig is windows as I don’t got time for Linux, but I would take a mac at work all day over windows.
Capitalism does justify the need and expense of the device. Which is something, I guess.
What does that even mean?
It’s a solution looking for a problem it causes.
Well, it’s always “humans made this”.
I think it’s trivial to argue that without capitalism we would not have iPhones, they are the product of the desire to please a market to make a lot of money.
If the driver was “I want to build something useful for my fellow humans” that wouldn’t likely trend toward an elitist redundant unsustainable device built on the exploitation of cheap labor.
If not for capitalism, we’d be missing out on internet ads, online dating and for-profit healthcare!
The conversation was clearly more developed here so I resubmitted it :|
Coming back to your point, I’m not being obtuse, a smartphone is not as life changing (for the better) when it comes down to your daily life.
I was born without one, I can relate to the experiences my parents had, and none of it screams “back in the days life was radically different”.
Sure you’d go to places to purchase object you can touch and your brain wasn’t melted by being exposed from an early age to Tiktok.
Coming back to your point, I’m not being obtuse, a smartphone is not as life changing (for the better) when it comes down to your daily life.
My peep, smartphones redefined the way humans go about the world and in turn how the world is structured. What the hell are you on about? As someone who lived even without internet, I can assure you that the way we handled the world was indeed massively fucking different in so many ways, I wouldn’t even know where to begin to explain. The smartphone is as impactful, if not more than the telephone, the radio and the television. All of those techs literally reshaped the world and our social interactions.
Sure you’d go to places to purchase object you can touch and your brain wasn’t melted by being exposed from an early age to Tiktok.
Do you know how much the world changed because people don’t “go to places”? Because they text instead of phoning? Because they can record everything at any time? Because they don’t carry a fuckton of devices, paper and other support tools? You literally don’t know what you’re taking about. And yes, impact to society includes the bad stuff as well.
You clearly haven’t thought about it and take a lot of things for granted, which is weird considering your stance on the relationship between labor and capital.
Developing new medicines is world-changing innovation, cheaper and more plentiful food is. iPhones are so inconsequentials that most people don’t have one.
Let’s now talk about Smartphones and your daily experience. You wake up (alarm clock?), you wash yourself (inconsequential), you check heavily manipulated news (I guess it gives a slightly more diverse option than TV or Newspaper, but I’d consider that a credit of the Internet), you go to work (gps were a thing before smartphones, and you get survelliance as a tradeoff, but I guess it’s one of the most tangible advantage to be notified live of traffic) or connect with MS teams. Time to eat, I guess you go somewhere, take a walk, or use the smartphone (the internet I guess) to get a limited selection of various cathegory of hyperprocessed slobs. You work and then you stop. But wait, you are always connected so your boss hit you up live and make you work for the big family another 2 hours. You text your buddies to go have a beer later, which you could have 100% done preplanning it or using basic phone. You have fun pulling from your own personal unique life experience or maybe you consume/comment together some idiotic vertical video just like millions are doing at the exact same time everywhere else. You go home.
Such innovation, many plus.
Big minus: people waste a lot of time on their phones
Big plus: you can waste a lot of time where in y2k you’d have been bored
I listened to a lot more radio before I had a smartphone. Now there’s so much YouTube, so many podcasts
Developing new medicines is world-changing innovation, cheaper and more plentiful food is. iPhones are so inconsequentials that most people don’t have one.
The fact that many people don’t have one doesn’t mean it didn’t reshape the world! Holy shit! It’s like saying antibiotics didn’t revolutionize medicine because many people didn’t need one ever.
Honestly this discussion is too inane to continue. I’m out.
I mean, same? I was mostly engaging for the sake of other people, you clearly have a very narrow idea of what constitutes progress and what an alternative more balanced society would bring (it’s not the extraction of toxic rare metals).