i’m sure everyone can be normal about this post yes?
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Some of you are literally watching the right wing continuously try to expand the definition of “pedophilia” to include “existing around a child while queer,” and then agreeing with them when they say pedophiles deserve to be summarily executed.
Not only does this place innocent people in danger of political executions, it also puts children in danger, as most children who are sexually abused have this done by someone close to them, and feelings that they would be responsible for the death of their abuser if they reported leads to lower rates of reporting. It also leads to higher rates of abusers murdering their victims when they’re found out because the punishment will be the same anyway.
Part of being on the left is realizing that it’s better to let 100 guilty men go free than to wrongly convict one. Another part of being on the left is realizing that one’s life is never something others have the right to take away- even the most evil people alive. Yes, that includes mass murderers and rapists and pedophiles. Once you make one group acceptable to kill, you give others a vested interest in defining groups they have prejudice against into that group.
You have to start dealing with the fact that no crime makes one’s life forfeit. Not even the worst most depraved and sadistic acts. The worst people alive have rights, and if you can’t accept that they deserve them, at least try to accept that it is to your benefit that they retain rights no matter what they’re accused of. And if you can’t do even that, well… you just might be the kind of person who would cut off your nose to spite your face.
If you want to protect victims, if you want to protect minority groups, you have to realize that sex crimes, or any crimes at all, do not deserve the death penalty. Period.
brettdoesdiscourse replies:
When a certain kind of person “deserves” to die, bigots will make sure marginalized groups all are that kind of person.
little-gay-dowitcher replies:
My former neighbors were the “kill all pedos” type. They were also incredibly transphobic. And I was visibly queer. So guess who got stalked, harassed and threatened all throughout the brief period of time they babysat for their friend?
Stop enabling fascists. They’ve already proven they’re willing to attack minorities for no reason. Don’t give them a chance to excuse it.
This is probably one of the more tragic results of the mess we’re in right now and there is no good solution. Not killing anyone would be ideal, but not enough people feel that way or we wouldn’t be killing each other as much as we do.
You can’t change a bigots heart unless they want to change. You could kill them, but what difference would there be between you and a bigot at that point? These kinds of problems take generations to sort out, which is unfortunate for all the dead southern queer people who will be murdered legally in the years to come.
I feel like pedophilia (along with zoophilia and possibly even coprophilia) is a mental disorder and should be studied so it can be properly treated.
I wish all pedophiles a very therapy
I had an argument with someone online recently where I advocated for removal of national boarders and they came back with, “what about bad people” to which I responded, who are the bad people? And if I consider you a bad person would you be alright being kicked out of your country and not allowed to return. We spoke for about 3 hours and my whole argument was that if he considered rapists (they said rapists and murderers were bad people) fit to be prevented from entering his country would they willingly leave if their wife accused them of rape.
They just couldn’t allow themselves to follow through with the thought, it simply stopped with, “I’m a good person” and even when asked if they received consent before sexual acts they said,“no, but I’m not a rapist, I’m a good person”
They love laws like this, because in their minds, they could 100% NEVER be applied to them.
conservatism consists of exactly one proposition etc. etc.
“Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends. I have not much hope that Gollum can be cured before he dies, but there is a chance of it. And he is bound up with the fate of the Ring. My heart tells me that he has some part to play yet, for good or ill, before the end; and when that comes, the pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many - yours not least.”
- Gandalf, The Fellowship of the Ring
“Hold you your hand, Frodo. It’s quite cool.”
- Gandalf, The Fellowship of the Ring
So what should we do with them?
Provide options for psychological therapy for the ones who have not offended.
Incarcerate the ones who have offended and provide options for psychological therapy for them until they are safe to go back out into public.
Disagree, lots of stuff can void your right to life. The issue with killing people, even those who deserve it, is that Innocents can be caught up in that.
this comment has a lot of “blatant, sweeping misandry is bad, but only because it inadvertently harms transmasc people” energy
I’m okay with fascists and other repeat offender threats to the planet being thrown in a prison forever. They don’t have to die and no one has the right to determine whose life is forfeit and whose isn’t. But if they repeatedly endanger the lives of others, including animals, they need to be away from society.
Texas is set to execute yet another person and Missouri executed an innocent man despite the DA’s objection and new evidence.
The death penalty is acceptable for people like Netanyahu.
I’m okay with fascists and other repeat offender threats to the planet being thrown in a prison forever. They don’t have to die and no one has the right to determine whose life is forfeit and whose isn’t. But if they repeatedly endanger the lives of others, including animals, they need to be away from society.
Finally, a leftist who actually understands that wanting to build a society free from state-sponsored violence means that state-sponsored execution is bad no matter what and it’s not just a question of how bad the crime wa–
The death penalty is acceptable for people like Netanyahu.
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I think we can make an exception for people that have carried out, or are actively carrying out, a genocide. Same would go for Hitler if he wasn’t a coward that did it himself.
What part of “no one has the right to decide whose life is forfeit and whose isn’t” didn’t you internalize when you said it the first time?
Let him spend the rest of his life in supermax, sure. Make sure he never sees the sun again. Make sure the only people he sees for the rest of his life are people who know what he did. But as for executing him, you are literally the person in the post. What counts as carrying out a genocide? Are soldiers doing that if they’re told by their commanding officers they’ll be executed themselves if they don’t? How about workers who take a bribe to divert aid trucks to somewhere, unbeknownst to the worker, they’ll get raided? Heck, what counts as a genocide? Forcibly relocating native Canadians in order to build a natural gas pipeline across their ancestral home is unequivocally bad, but is it genocide? Thought Slime seems to think so. Should we guillotine Justin Trudeau?
I’d take rotting in prison forever. That’s acceptable.
Then why’d you say you wanted to kill him? Either you believe in the death penalty or you don’t.
I don’t believe in the death penalty but I also won’t cry over the death of a fascist carrying out genocide. If he dies a lonely death in a cell, that’s still the same outcome, even if power is a vacuum. It was also a late edit in jest, but I also hope he bites it asap.
You have to start dealing with the fact that no crime makes one’s life forfeit
What about fascists? Shouldn’t their lives be forfeit? :3
The death penalty should be reserved for people who absolutely will continue to commit great crimes (e.g. murder) even after they’re imprisoned. Example: A crime boss that issues orders to have people murdered via visits from their lawyer.
Someone like that–even from within prison–has too much of a negative impact on society to be allowed to live. You can’t take away their basic rights (like the right to a lawyer) so the most humane thing to do would be to end them as peacefully as possible. Otherwise you’re going to allow them to continue committing crimes, racking up victims, and degrading society as a whole.
A convicted pedophile rapist will be incapable of committing that same sort of crime as long as they are imprisoned. Hence it’s not necessary to execute them.
Literally illiterate.
Sure, the text states ‘no crime makes one’s life forfeit’, and I read that quite clearly, but I’m proposing an exception to this rule when it comes to fascists ^.~ It’s a little joke