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My biggest reason for not knowing who Jill Stein is is that Jill Stein doesn’t exist a month beyond any elections in either direction.
She is simply a spectre of a false belief in voting practices.
Still waiting for one of these hit pieces to actually compare steins policies, activist record, financial portfolio to Harris. This one seems to be she didn’t show up to our climate protest, but neither did Harris, and that she has a retirement account with fossil fuel shares in it like Harris and nearly every other American with a retirement account.
If the dems want to win over green party supporters and win the election they need to give them some reason to support her. Or they could just keep scolding there supporters , calling them naive and dumb while calling there candidate unserious , cause that worked out so well with Trump supporters in 2016.
, calling them naive and dumb while calling there candidate unserious , cause that worked out so well with Trump supporters in 2016.
So, you’re saying you’re as stupid as Trump supporters?
That may sound harsh, but those are your own words.
That’s not what I said, I said democrats are treating stein supporters like they did Trump supporters in 2016. Thanks for showcasing that by just calling them dumb without putting forward anything positive about the Harris campaign.
I also didn’t say I voted for stein, if I was in a state that mattered I’d hold my nose and vote for Harris because I know Trump will be far worse. I want Harris to win I’m just mad that she’s making the same mistakes Hillary made in 2016 and is making this race way closer then it needs to be.
Anyone who has taken even the most superficial look at Trump’s record and isn’t voting for any opposition must be an idiot.
I have the advantage of living in New York, where we got to watch him embarrass himself for decades before taking the national stage.
He was fined for employing illegal immigrants from Poland when he was building Trump Tower.
He was fined for discriminatory actions in his Queens’ rentals.
He refused to pay off dozens of small companies in Atlantic City, driving many of them into bankruptcy.
Any one of those should be enough to disqualify him, but somehow it’s just not enough.
This one seems to be she didn’t show up to our climate protest, but neither did Harris, and that she has a retirement account with fossil fuel shares in it like Harris and nearly every other American with a retirement account.
If you’re the Presidential candidate for the Environmental Party I feel like it’s the epitome of practicing what you preach. She and her husband having investments in oil is significant when your entire political position is antithetical to big oil. Accepting donations from Republican donor companies like Home Depot, and having multiple different politicians specifically say the Green Party is meant to siphon votes from the Democratic party.
If the Green party cared, it would be appealing to both moderates in their party. They do not. If the Green party cared, they would do more in between election years and fight for political positions beyond council members and mayors (4 total btw).
And if the Green Party cared, they would post a candidate who actually believed in what the party stood for by following the convictions of the Green Party and not having investments in big oil. And maybe one who had support in Congress to actually pass policy.
Edit: Their candidates are all you need to know, too. Kyrsten Simena was a Green Party member, who also was happy taking donations and making investments in oil companies. It’s a pattern.
On some level it’s reasonable to say that you own shares in a mutual fund, not shares in the individual companies.
But the other side of that is that you can fairly easily see what the mutual fund is doing, and copy it, without the problematic companies. Yes, it will be less profitable, but you can do it, and you can do it without too much difficulty when you’re talking about millions of dollars in investments. So it seems, I dunno, weak to say that you can’t divest your own personal investments from these things. Plus, I’m pretty sure that there are at least a handful of mutual funds that entirely avoid those kind of companies in order to attract ethical investors.
How the hell can the presidential candidate of the Green Party own a MILLION DOLLARS OF OIL AND GAS SHARES? How can you complain about Israel murdering children in Gaza, when you own shares in Raytheon, which sells and produces weapons for and in Israel?
Where are you seeing this?
The article claims that she has total stock market index funds in her retirement account and not individual oil and gas shares…
They even link the full financial disclosure that reveals as much: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/un8w34x8anzochjjik2dw/2024-Stein-PFD.pdf?rlkey=no0vsygaof1096tgm3843kwup&st=10vwoc8x&dl=0
This is literally insulting to anyone with any understanding of “investments”:
In January 2024, Stein reported having between $250,001 and $500,000 invested in the Vanguard Total International Stock Index Fund (VXUS), which invests in TC Energy Corp, owner of the Keystone XL Pipeline. Stein profits from the Keystone XL Pipeline she claims to oppose.
This is a super sketchy way to portray a very normal total market index funds…
And everybody knows that total market includes fossil fuel and arms companies. That is why there are ESG funds, which do exclude the really nasty companies. Those are pretty easy to buy and can also cover a large field of investments. She has lobbied for divestement from fossil fuels, so she should very much be aware that those options are around, while this has been pointed out for nearly a decade. So really no excuse for that.
Surely, if you’re the Green party leader, you would simply not invest in that particular index fund, and probably would not invest at Vanguard either. When people say you should “divest from fossil fuels”, it obviously also means taking your money out of these index funds.
It’s funny how easy it is, but no, let’s jump through hoops to justify it.
Appears cross posted from Reddit where you’ll see tons more anti-green propaganda: https://www.reddit.com/r/climate/comments/1gimm7x/im_an_environmentalist_thats_why_i_cant_vote_green/
Good.
The green party is not a party for good. Jill Stein has no intention of trying to further the supposed goals of the green party.
Their intention - admitted to, on microphone, at an event, by their own people - is purely to give trump the presidency.
The green party is dogshit.
What??? When did that happen? Source?
Weeks ago.
A quote from Sawant at the Stein rally:
We are not in a position to win the White House, but we do have a real opportunity to win something historic. We could deny Kamala Harris the state of Michigan. And the polls show that most likely Harris cannot win the election without Michigan.
Edit: forgot to.drop some links for you. Here you go:
In her own words, the so-called socialist who is hoping for a trump win: https://www.workersstrikeback.org/news-analysis/kshama-sawant-speech-10-15
So not Jill stein, and not an official in the green party. Further down there a quote from a kamala supporter that sums this up better:
“So she’s in trouble in Michigan, and it’s not because of Abandon Biden,” Zogby said. “It’s because Democrats abandoned Arab Americans. They stopped talking to them.”
The democrats took the Arab vote for granted in Michigan and are suffering the consequences and instead of changing there policies or accept that there policies are alienating voters and move on they just blame stein and pretend she’s pulling away potential Kamala voters from the camp, when in reality those people had already left the camp after being ignored and were just not going to vote for either.
A Jill Stein event, in a speech by a Stein supporter introducing Stein.
Too bad, this is Green. They are not a party of progressives.
So not Stein. I think your comment is worded somewhat misleadingly but alright.
Not what I said.
I said by their own people on microphone at their own event. I think maybe you misread, its not at all misleading.
Here is the actual Abandon Harris rally if people want to watch it:
To borrow the words of Michael Moore:
- “They’re [arabs] in horrible grief right now. And they’re saddled with this awful predicament. And their conscious is not allowing them to put an ‘X’ next to the woman who has killed their family.”
- “Boy it takes a lot nerve for white people to say that they know better ‘they don’t understand that Trump’s going to be a lot worse for the Arab Americans’… Shut the fuck up.”
- “These are people that have lost relatives. These are people that have lost members of their community. They’ve been killed by me. Not just Netanyahu. Our tax dollars pay for every god damn bullet and bomb. Every carpet bombing of Gaza you’ve funded it. I’ve funded it.”
- https://youtu.be/ow6jrG6ayJY
- This was a Jill Stein rally
- This speech was to intro Stein
- This speech would have been reviewed, just like a certain comedian at MSG.
- Stein agrees with and supports the speech tacitly
You’re just apologizing for the Green Party while being OK with them working to get Trump in, who will literally ramp up the genocide.
Pure garbage.
It appears the group Abandon Harris has said these things, not the Green Party. Am I not understanding something?
She was the opener for Green at her MI rally.
She is part of it, at a Green event. Her being the founder of her own party that had a short stint as a city council member does not change who she was there for, both party and candidate.
I guess this is the source:
Jill Stein supports Islamic Jihadis slaughtering and kidnapping Israelis, makes it real simple to see the evil insanity she represents. Took the rest of y’all a little longer, when anyone could have seen that kafiyah loud and clear. the MOD doesn’t like when you point out that Jill Stein is an antisemitic terrorist supporter, that’s no reason to hate her you see, or even be allowed to mention it under a post about her, but supporting Trump, Iran and Vladimir Putin, as if all those things aren’t connected in the same evil, is