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- pumpsnabben ( @pumpsnabben@sopuli.xyz ) 20•1 year ago
I don’t really understand why the US is even considering giving Ukraine cluster bombs. They are banned in a lot of countries for a reason and Russia was rightly criticized for using them.
- Lotus Eater ( @Devious_Thoughts@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 15•1 year ago
The US, Russia, and Ukraine have not signed any bans on cluster munitions. Russia, is already using cluster munitions AND mines IN Ukraine.
If you’re worried about civilian casualties, you SHOULD be worried about the MILLIONS of mines and cluster munitions Russia is already using IN Ukraine. Ukraine is more than well within their right, to use cluster munitions.
Additionally, Ukraine has NOT used their stockpile of cluster munitions, out of respect for this western ignorance that could be used by Russia against them. Like they’re currently trying to do.
- hglman ( @hglman@lemmy.ml ) 11•1 year ago
That isnt for cluster munitions good. Its extreme whataboutism.
Absolutely gross comment promoting more harm.
- HumanPenguin ( @HumanPenguin@feddit.uk ) 9•1 year ago
No it’s russia desperatly trying to harm Ukraine ability to defend itself. By using ignorance to limit access to themselves.
You’d have a point about what aboutism. If we were talking about russias use elsewhere or in the past.
But we are not. You are talking about a nation turning to the same weapons an invader is using. And saying stop. While allowing the invader to carry on with no threat of return attacks.
Russia is using you to harm others.
- ghost_laptop ( @gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml ) 4•1 year ago
Whatabatism is just when the baddies do it.
- Lotus Eater ( @Devious_Thoughts@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 7•1 year ago
Lol sure, self defense is harm, ignorance is patriotism. Very good fellow comrade 🫡
- hglman ( @hglman@lemmy.ml ) 9•1 year ago
The enimies use of banned weapons is not justification to use those same weapons. Can you outline why the only way to win is for Ukraine to use cluster bombs?
- haohao ( @haohao@lemm.ee ) 4•1 year ago
Because that’s the only thing we can get right now. We don’t have enough artillery shells, we don’t have enough weapons, we don’t have enough modern tanks/transport vehicles/planes. Every bit helps. We won’t be able to win this war with sticks and stones.
- pumpsnabben ( @pumpsnabben@sopuli.xyz ) 3•1 year ago
Would you support sending tactical nuclear weapons to Ukraine?
- Lotus Eater ( @Devious_Thoughts@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 7•1 year ago
They never should’ve given up their stockpile for the false promise of independence.
- pumpsnabben ( @pumpsnabben@sopuli.xyz ) 1•1 year ago
That I agree with at the same time that I recognize it was a difficult decision.
- buckykat ( @buckykat@lemmy.fmhy.ml ) 11•1 year ago
Think of the poor cluster bomb manufacturers. How will they maximize shareholder value if nobody uses their widely banned weapons that mostly kill civilians?
- wildeaboutoskar ( @wildeaboutoskar@beehaw.org ) 7•1 year ago
Not sure if they have them in the USA but I feel like things like this should be free votes rather than across party lines. It’s a conscience thing more than anything. I personally think by using them you’re just escalating things and it very well could end up causing more harm than good.