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Linux, openSUSE ready for Everyday Users

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banazir ( banazir@lemmy.ml )  to Linux@lemmy.ml · 2 years ago
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Most people don’t give much thought to their operating system, but with Windows 10 support ending in October 2025, many will start searching for alternatives...
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  • Captain Baka ( Captain_Baka@feddit.org ) 
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    Most people don’t give much thought to their operating system, but with Windows 10 support ending in October 2025, many will start searching for alternatives…

    I predict most of them are going to waste a ton of money and buy a Window 11 device. Or waste a shit-ton of money and buy a Apple device. Or just say “fuck it” and keep Windows 10 (that’s what my mom will surely do. I stopped caring, as my dad still wants to use his even older Windows 8 shitbox and my mom 100% agrees to this).

    • foremanguy ( foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml ) 
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      I think that all the people that are on Windows 10 today will keep even if the support ends

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        Well, that’s what I said. Old shitboxes and such. May be old, but would run like a charm with Linux. But is a shitbox because the installed OS (WIndows in this case) is completely obsolete.

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          I would argue that win 10 that’s been working on there for a long time will also run like a charm. Or enough of a charm that they won’t care to change it. And if it starts throwing errors, preventing the from doing things they want, or breaking down, they’ll just think it’s the machine and replace it. Most people don’t think of OS and Machine as separate, independent things.

          • Captain Baka ( Captain_Baka@feddit.org ) 
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            Throwing errors? My dads Windows 8 machine does not throw any error. It’s just as slow as the continental drift. For years already he just keeps blaming his internet connection for that, which is obviously wrong because my Linux laptop works absolutly fine and responsive inside the same network. He doesn’t even think about it that his computer itself could be the problem. I suspect it is part of a botnet or some shit like that but he does not care what I say, so I don’t care about his online vulnerability. Because of all this I know that inconveniences do not necessarily convince a person to do something that’s needed to be done (use Linux or buy new device).

      • Norah (pup/it/she) ( princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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        Except it throws big, scary-looking, fullscreen warnings already…

        • foremanguy ( foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml ) 
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          Oh sorry I didn’t know, but I don’t think this could change something

  • deadcream ( deadcream@sopuli.xyz ) 
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    Latest Tumbleweed snapshot has a Mesa bug that causes 50% chance of black screen after login. A few weeks before that Plymouth was broken causing >1 minute boot times. To solve these issues users need to learn how to rollback updates from command line, so it’s certainly not a good replacement for Windows.

    I know it’s rolling release distro but you can’t claim “it’s rolling release so bugs are expected and it’s your fault for using it” and “it’s betest and stablest system ever, everyone should use it” at the same time.

    • floofloof ( floofloof@lemmy.ca ) 
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      The article doesn’t mention or recommend Tumbleweed as far as I can see.

    • dino ( dino@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
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      Is this fakenews or is my tumbleweed install at home hardened… any TW users here heard of this?

      • deadcream ( deadcream@sopuli.xyz ) 
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        https://forums.opensuse.org/t/snapshot-start-up-slowdown-18112024/180434
        https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1233532

        https://forums.opensuse.org/t/after-todays-upgrade-tumbleweed-i-can-no-longer-log-in-via-the-wayland-session/180541
        https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1234302
        https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/issues/12253

        Not all hardware seems to be affected (at lest in case of second issue). I have a AMD GPU though and I hit both of them.

        • kurcatovium ( kurcatovium@lemm.ee ) 
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          Well, I have AMD too and I haven’t encounter either of them… so far. Hope it stays that way.

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          I also have AMD and do updates regularly and didn’t have this issue, but I think the problem is pretty apparent and has been for quite some time. Packman repository should not be used by non-knowledgeable users! I am not exactly sure what that means for daily use, but as seen here it creates issues if you are not aware what an update actually does or just press “yes, yes, yes” to all questions in an update process.

          In regards to plymouth I have no clue, but it seems this should be easily manageable by booting into a previous snapshot?

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    Brave is not a privacy focus browser.

    • laggytoast ( laggytoast@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
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      https://www.privacyguides.org/en/desktop-browsers/

      Privacy Guides would disagree with you

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      Source?

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      deleted by creator

      • Melatonin ( Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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        I enjoy them. But I’m a dogshit boomer.

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        Is there good humor somewhere on Lemmy?

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      This is not an accurate depiction. All those parts look like they will fit out of the box and all the parts are there.

      • Melatonin ( Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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        Lol

    • LiveLM ( LiveLM@lemmy.zip ) 
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      Little do they known that both Clone Hero and YARG are native, the old crummy PC ports run fine on Wine (Even the WTDE mod) and RPCS3 works fantastic for Rock Band

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    Most of the list is either websites or websites on steroids (Electron), it’s more than sufficient for “everyday users”, but it doesn’t really say anything new about the state of the Linux desktop, it’s been like this for a few years in that aspect, but it has progressed a lot as of recent on many other aspects which are worth making a notice about.
    On the other hand I think it’s important to mention those things we don’t have or can’t ever (or who knows when) have, because the companies behind those products don’t care at all for the platform, or care about in a negative way, several of those are used by “everyday users” and I’m sure it can be a deal breaker for them. I guess it’s a decent campaign to cater to those looking at their options with the incoming end of Windows support at least

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    What sets opensuse apart from distros like debbie?

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      Zero-setup snapshotting, GUIs for system settings, more sophisticated repo management, less custom-patching of software, more utilitarian than minimalist.

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      For me it’s that Tumblweed at least uses BTRFS by default, so rolling back to a previous snapshot is a breeze if needed.

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        The number of data loss stories with btrfs 💀

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          Are there any actual controlled comparative studies of filesystems, rather than just anecdotes from the internet?

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          Go on…

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            In my case, The rollback feature bricked its onw disk because on a 30g system partition, an install with a separate home partition (not included in the backups) will drown itself in factory settings backups.

            It’s a great feature. Give it ample space and trim down on the all the snapshots afterwards.

          • ryannathans ( ryannathans@aussie.zone ) 
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            Running out of disk space causing filesystem failure

            • LiveLM ( LiveLM@lemmy.zip ) 
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              I’m gonna need a source for that please, my 1TB disk is down to only a couple gigs free 💀

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                https://rsc.vet/board/viewtopic.php?t=133

              • ReversalHatchery ( ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org ) 
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                you haven’t ran out of space, then

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        I switched to Tumbleweed from Ubuntu but was wary of the rolling release idea. I went in thinking “Well yeah, they need a file system like BTRFS to back out of bad updates.” And this was the case for me when Zoom stopped working after an update during a month when I really needed Zoom to be working. But, somehow, BTRFS has turned into a personal requirement for me everywhere. Things went wrong on Ubuntu too, wouldn’t it have been nice to be able to easily roll back the change that did it?

        So, I still find it irritating how often little things change with Tumbleweed, but I love having BTRFS in the background making sure I can back out of any major issues.

  • ReversalHatchery ( ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org ) 
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    the article does not tell about how to keep the system up to date

    • BCsven ( BCsven@lemmy.ca ) 
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      Yeah too bad, they should have hilighted that on GNOME DE with OpenSUSE it prompts you that updates are available and you hit OK or cancel. KDE might have something similar.

      • ReversalHatchery ( ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org ) 
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        KDE too, but those users who have literally no idea how does the computer work, they won’t even remember to check that popup window. an automatic solution is what is needed.

        • BCsven ( BCsven@lemmy.ca ) 
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          GNOME puts it right in your face as a dialog message…but yeah people will ignore it

          • ReversalHatchery ( ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org ) 
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            I also sometimes (but often enough, including a time this week) hear people discuss to not install updates because of this and that.

            but then if I think about it, I have trained myself too to this:

            • I avoid updates to my smart tv, because I know with facts that they’ll enshittify it, including patching in admin access (was not obtained by a no-interaction attack), flooding it with ads and even more tracking, and even more preinstalled apps and their own tracking. this applies to any “smart” appliences
            • I am cautious with android updates, because they sometimes break things with no way back, not even a real way to do backups. besides that, major version updates always reset some settings including to not connect automatically to any random ISP’s cellular network. versions starting with 8 also introduced many new arbitrary limitations out of the user’s control that cannot be reverted
            • I’ve seen many apps on the play store get enshittified, but sometimes f-droid apps to make changes that I would wish they rather didn’t do
            • windows updates breaking expected and unexpected things just as well
            • linux is fragile regarding updates, though at times an immediate reboot solves it (when the issue is caused by incompatibility between the the on-disk and in-memory versions of the programs and program libraries)
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              TV I agree, my LG updated and now streaming video is broken.

              For android phone GrapheneOS.

              I haven’t found Linux to be fragile. I think that is distro dependent.

              I’m on same OpenSUSE (with version upgrades) since 2017. Every update has been fine, only time it was an issue is when nVidia driver got ahead of the kernel for a few days. But OpenSUSE you just choose the previous snapshot.

              My wife’s laptops is NixOS for maybe 3 years now, no issues.

              • ReversalHatchery ( ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org ) 
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                For android phone GrapheneOS.

                it does not fix a lot of the bullshit changes

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                  But you can install older versions , or choose when you update

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