I don’t expect this to play particularly well here, and maybe I’m just being conspiratorial, but here goes:
I banned jordanlund@lemmy.world from !transgender@lemmy.blahajzone earlier today- he literally posted a matt walsh youtube link and was being otherwise transphobic in a space where that gets you banned. (link)
one of jordanlunds removed comments w/ matt walsh video:
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the reason I put down was ‘trolling about neopronouns’ I stand by that, it was violating instance rules and was unacceptable behavior from a moderator of another instance.
Shortly after that I got banned from news@lemmy.world for ‘trolling’. To be clear, jordanlund does not moderate news@lemmy.world, but the timing struck me as an odd coincidence.
The .world thread in question (link)
I was expressing my actual opinion/position on this, if anything the post I was replying to should be considered a rule 1 violation implying leftists are russian/under russian sway:
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The removed comments that I was banned (permanent) for were just me being earnest about my position, which you’re welcome to disagree with.
I don’t view protecting my rights as something worth sacrificing other people for, even if they’re on the other side of the planet. You can be mad at me or hate me for that, but I’m not trolling.
People replying felt it was reasonable to call me an idiot for example, yet another example of selective moderation. on .world.
I don’t have any conclusive proof that my banning Jordanlund and then getting banned are related other than the suspicious timing, I welcome clarification.
Anyway in the interest of neutrality and transparency I submit both my ban and jordanlunds for review.
To be clear, jordanlund does not moderate news@lemmy.world, but the timing struck me as an odd coincidence.
Just something else I found recently
Oh that is interesting information, thank you!
Oh that would explain a lot lol
Every other instance should defederate from .world. Neoliberal fascism is no better than regular fascism.
I personally call them Fascism Lite™
Diet Fascism.
Since when are they neoliberal? I encounter more bleeding heart progressives on that instance than anywhere else. Sorry they don’t pass your purity test but they sure as fuck hate fascists.
Edit: ohhhh haha, I just checked your instance. Yea no wonder they aren’t leftie enough for you, go home tankie 👋
Hello red scare. It’s getting tiring.
You’re a lot of things, but not scary.
Okay I guess? I never wanted to be scary lol
I think you do, you want peoples disgust of you to be dismissed as irrational. But it has nothing to do with “red scare”, it’s just that you are really, really gross.
Yeah it’s pretty disgusting to write such a comment about me specifically apparently. Everyone to the left of Biden is a commie and that equals a tankie. /s You sir are blocked.
Well no, there’s a lot of decent non-tanky positions left of biden, but you definitely are one. It’s a pretty unique perspective that liberals are fascists, you only hear something that dumb from the tips of the horseshoe.
PTB. I think you are correct in both cases.
I hate how quick world is to mass downvote, accuse of being a russian troll, or just straight up remove comments from people who express any sort of actual left-wing opinion. Reading through that whole comment thread there was nothing you said that came across as trolling. Its kinda exhausting how many people take any criticism of the democratic party as being support for Trump, or believe voting is the most important and only way to change anything. I get closer to just blocking world entirely every day tbh.
.world thinks if you give reasoned arguments, reputable sources, and have a logical criticism of a liberal, you’re actually just a Russian bot, China shill, trump stan, or whatever it is this week.
Being morally consistent is a negative to them and must be punished.
I get closer to just blocking world entirely every day tbh.
Most of my blocklist is .world members, some shitjustworks, some hexbear, some .ml. And then there’s some members from a libertarian instance I never remember.
It doesn’t help that .world is the biggest one, but it feels every single smug asshole who wants to put you on their “internet arguments won comp #13” collection is from .world
World is an absolute cancer on Lemmy, its filled with ShitLibs who hold on to their Reddit mentality. If Blahaj defederated from world absolutely nothing of value would be lost.
You shouldn’t judge an entire group of people, by the tag on their names.
No, you should judge them based on their political opinions and lack of empathy. And as it just so happens, .world is full of shitlibs.
Who exactly? I will judge them with you!
Well, start with Jordan, since this post is about him. Won’t be hard to find all about him, he’s been mentioned in this community more times than anyone except perhaps FlyingSquid.
A recent example about lack of empathy
Valid point, but yours is so cool it’s hard not to notice it 😄
😂
Anyone who uses the term “shitlib” tend to trend towards trump supporter level of dumbass I’ve noticed
Isn’t FlyingSquid a mod there? They cooperate with one another, so if you cross one you cross both.
But yeah, doesn’t surprise me. Jordan is the same white dude who said he didn’t support BLM because protests inconvenienced him. He’s a peak liberal Zionist.
Jordan is the same white dude who said he didn’t support BLM because protests inconvenienced him. He’s a peak liberal Zionist.
That stuff was wild
I just want to add that it seems to me that about 90% of people accused of trolling on here do not themselves think they are trolling. Something to ponder.
Everybody is the good guy in their own story.
I think this is a related factor but not quite what I’m getting at here.
My understanding of trolling is that it is a deliberate attempt to trigger negative emotional responses and cause trouble. So users should have a good sense of whether they are or are not engaged in trolling.
So either:
A: They are lying about their intentions. B: The community and mods are ascribing ill intentions where there are none. Or C: Different people are using conflicting definitions of trolling.
While A might seem the obvious answer, I think it’s actually far less common than people think. When I go through the histories of people accused of trolling I rarely see clear evidence of it. It’s usually just a person who has a tendency to respond angrily to people they disagree with, or who has a particularly strong disagreement with the community on a particular issue that they feel passionately about.
So I usually chock these cases up to B, and I think this case is a pretty clear example. However I’d also be curious to know if C is at play here, so if you think there is another definition of trolling that differs from mine, please share it.
I mean, further looking and it’s almost certainly B. I think people like to ascribe ill-intent when they just knee-jerk to disagreement. “Trolling” here was absolutely the wrong choice of verbiage.
If we’re assuming it was a retaliation ban- The powers that be at lemmy.world would be wise to nip this type of thing in the bud now and replace those actively working to deceive and lash out at others from their team.
Eventually people will stop giving the owners/admins the benefit of the doubt when controversial things like this happen. What happens then? The time/money/resources are being thrown away to enable a few people’s egos and eventually the users will tire of it and abandon ship. It seems like we’re drawing closer to that every day.
One way or another the true colors will always come out. Interesting times ahead.
PTB. Throwing a fit because you pointed out their blatant transphobia
Really unsurprising considering it involved Israel. News mods usually bend over backwards like the r/worldnews to remove anything slightly critical. Especially when it’s calling out hasbara
Why are people so mad about someone using “drag” as a pronoun?
Is it hurting drag? No. Is it hurting anyone else? No.
I have also seen people say drag is a troll. I cant confirm nor deny that since i have only seen a couple of drags comments, but most people who have said something bad about dragonrider talk about the pronouns, not the person
“I identify as a dragon fucker” feels a lot like “I identify as an attack helicopter.”
You clearly haven’t spent much time around furries if anything about drag surprises you.
The princess is right. There are quite a few dragon fuckers in this world.
They’re just dumbass transphobes. It’s not that complicated.
They just mask how much trans people make them feel “icky” by targeting normalized people, and masking it as “I’m just telling a troll to fuck off.”
If you don’t like Drag, just block Drag. Don’t announce it, just block and move on.
“But drag isn’t a pronoun!!” Who cares? How does it impact you?
Look at this flawless solution that would have headed off about 30 posts across a dozen communities. However you feel about Drag doesn’t matter because the Fediverse was FOUNDED on a users capability to Block And Move On. Just as you would for any other supposed bad faith actor. Unless harrasment is whats really important here…
Btw poor Drag must feel like a piece of meat at this point. If you’re reading this my drag, we stan.
I saw, hope drags alright.
For anyone wanting help finding the original entry in the modlog - bc it is currently not in either lemmy.ml or lemmy.world - here it is in lemmy.blahaj.zone. I haven’t delved into the rest but wanted to say damn it’s annoying when moderation activities don’t federate:-(.
Thanks for that, I agree it is really annoying having moderation doesn’t federate, or is obfuscated.
Yeah jordanlund do be doing that.
Banning people because they just tell exactly what is happening 🤦🏻
Go live in trumps ass, lol
This jordanlund seems to be the rare kind of human I hate… (I generally love other people🤭)
I’m beginning to think that .world should be avoided. Not defederated, but mirror subs should be started on other instances and everyone who doesn’t like this attitude / activity should deliberately boycott .world subs in favor of the alternatives.
Somewhat of an aside, I think this sort of behavior is far worse than what got everybody up in arms about Hexbear. I never disliked Hexbears; I see them as a tight-knit community that existed for multiple years before the Lemmy influx from the old site. I think they genuinely felt despair over the changes that federation brought to their instance and I feel sorry for them. Maybe if people make enough noise about the bad behavior of .world mods we can raise awareness and effect change.
- !world@quokk.au instead of !world@lemmy.world
- !usa@ponder.cat instead of !news@lemmy.world
- !politics@sh.itjust.works instead of !politics@lemmy.world
Thank you! I had drinks with a friend and will be off to sleep soon, but I opened your comment in another window to take action tomorrow.
Happy to help
Interesting case. Not giving any opinion right now, but as always, !world@quokk.au is an alternative to the LW one.
