It appears the US congress has just proposed (edited) a bill that declares “Antifa” a terrorist organization.

This doesn’t even make sense as Antifa isn’t an organization, but just a shared name for anyone that self-identifies as a person opposed to and willing to fight fascism 🤦‍♂️

Stay safe out there!

Note: SLRPNK is an EU based service and we are openly Antifa here, and proudly so!

    • Guess I really need to pay attention if we have a “Tread of Fascists” flag hanging up then. Somehow it’s potentially legally worse than a Confederate flag in the US? My poor, Union ancestors and very heavy U.S./Pennsylvanisch Deitsche ancestry.

  •  VeganPizza69 Ⓥ   ( @veganpizza69@lemmy.vg ) 
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    The vagueness is the point. Vague laws transfer the power to those who enforce it (ACAB) who get to decide if that law applies in that case.

    It’s the same strategy used by the Spanish inquisition. Who’s a witch? Keep it vague, and that answer becomes fully arbitrary and dependent on different social factors (such as people trying eliminate others and take their land by using such accusations). It also encourages everyone else to “signal” that they’re not whatever the bad label is… as a precaution. Preemptive antiantifa. This is basic conservative society shit.

    We saw the same thing since 2020 with the right-wing turning mask wearing into a signal for “weakness & femininity” and “leftism”, and large numbers of conservatives decided that it was better to get COVID-19 and long COVID. Note that this wasn’t STATE controlled, but it wasn’t organic either, it was more of a private astroturfing phenomenon.

    I’m not sure what the solution is, and I doubt that it’s just one single thing, but I’d love to see some ideas.

  •  RangerJosey   ( @RangerJosey@lemmy.ml ) 
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    Go for it. There’s no such thing as antifa outside the minds of chuds. There’s no organization. No roster of “members”

    It’s just people who are anti-fascist as a principle. And every living WWII vet.

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      That won’t stop them from branding any opposition as a member of antifa to justify terrorism charges. This is alarming because it is a step in systematically suppressing opposition.

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        Ding ding ding. Winner winner. The fascism playbook requires persecution of an “outside” group. Antifa is a backup if immigrants doesn’t work. Or if they don’t like someone who isn’t an immigrant.

        My money on the first person prosecuted under Antifa-as-a-Terrorist-Org rule: AOC

        Any guesses?

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      As others have mentioned, they didn’t fail to learn it. Broadness and vagueness is the point. It’s a weapon, and broadness makes it a sharper tool to suppress anyone and everyone. Membership isnt a thing. So worst case scenario, they can easily say, “they called trump a fascist, and antifa literature has stated they aim to fight what they call fascism. Therefore they’re enemies of the state.”

      At what point is crying fascism going to actually scare people? Because shit like this is definitely scary. They want a reason to arrest you? They look back at your social media and say in 2020 you posted pro-BLM remarks, supported the protests and defended property destruction: antifa.

      Fucked up. Doubly so because “terrorism” charges are much, much more punitive. Basically, as soon as you’re charged with anything related to terrorism, you’re absolutely fucked with zero rights. Especially under a government that has no oversight and is out on an ideological rampage.

    • Antifa is like communism. Hitler is a communist and thus is evil until he is a smart man whose symbols we should revere and have streets named after him, then he is a nationalist who was assaulted by Poland and had to defend himself and whom the French and British suddenly and unjustly declared war on and claimed that Germans must be exterminated.

      ‘We cannot rest until the sound of the German language is still heard around the platter we call earth.’ Neville Chamberlin.


      You probably realized that most of the stuff I wrote is deliberate bullshit. But there have been so many real examples of stuff written like that (fake quotes, strings of events that were either invented or skewed so badly they cease to resemble reality) that this is what a ‘debate’ with a fascist looks like. We’ve seen it with the whole Haitians are eating cats and dogs. That shit came out of nowhere and despite Kamala rightly laughing at it, people ate it all up and believed it.

      Then they will accuse their opponents of being stupid and believing it… until they start to say it is real again when it is convenient. Pathological lying is a feature, not a bug.

  •  Zozano   ( @Zozano@aussie.zone ) 
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    I remember the day that I applied to be a member of the ANTIFA organization. It was a gorgeous day, the sun warmed my back as I walked into their headquarters, documents in hand.

    I met with the president, board members and committee. They gave me a uniform, took my picture, and printed an ID.

    Then, I was invited into the private group chat, which everyone in ANTIFA is in.

    But, times have changed.

    Since then, they sold my data, and now I get fucking Dominos Pizza coupons all day. How am I meant to fight fascism with fucking pizza.