cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/37235684

Obviously reporting transphobic comments to a transphobic mod isn’t going to result in any action, so I’m wondering if the admins are going to do anything about it?

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  • VerilyFemme ( VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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    2 years ago

    Why don’t we just make a trans league so we can just stop talking about this with anyone ever again?

    Also, does a person who has gone through male puberty before transition not have at least some advantage in certain areas due to bone structure alone? I understand that trans girls who pre-empt puberty are likely physically equivalent to their cisgendered peers, but I have my reservations about integrating people who transition later in life. If I’m wrong, I would love to see any studies anyone may want to share.

    EDIT: I am wrong, thank you flamingembers and southsamurai. I would also like to apologize for the wording of this post. My original thought was that trans women who previously went through male puberty may have an advantage in some areas due to a potential wider skeletal structure in their upper bodies as compared to cisgendered peers. I did let my (unfounded on research!) opinion creep into that too much, and I do understand why that would leave a bad taste in the mouth of anyone who knows better.

    The evidence clearly contradicts the thinking that my original post was based upon - there was no area studied where trans women had an advantage. On top of that, it also appears trans women can’t even intake as much oxygen as cis women - which would already offset any size differences even if trans women were bigger and stronger on average (they aren’t).

    This isn’t news to anyone educated, but I wanted to edit this comment so that any transphobes upvoting my post due to having the same flavor of ignorance that they do understand that I do not agree with them, and I am not trying to propagate their views.

      • VerilyFemme ( VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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        2 years ago

        You’re right, that is an unrealistic solution. I’ve never been interested in sports, so I admit I didn’t really put much thought into that. I guess, in my mind, trans people in sports is one of the less dire issues we face today. But, I should acknowledge that there are trans people whose life revolves around sports, and I appreciate you framing it the way it is: separate but ‘equal.’ That really adds a stark perspective to it that I admittedly had not considered.

        Thank you so much for linking research, I’ll read that right now.

        EDIT: I didn’t read the article, I clicked their link to the study and read the abstract and data. So, if I’m reading the data correctly, the only factor measured where trans athletes have an advantage is the slightly higher grip strength of trans women? Just making sure I’m interpreting that correctly. Thank you so much for sending that my way.

      • Kacarott ( Kacarott@aussie.zone ) 
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        2 years ago

        separate but equal is not an ethical solution

        But isn’t this how sport already is? Do you think gender restrictions should be removed from sport altogether?

        I don’t think a trans-only league makes any sense, but I’m just curious about your stance.

          • VerilyFemme ( VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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            2 years ago

            I’m not debating anything! I admit I don’t know which is why I was asking for information! I see that OP links to research in the screenshot, but I can’t see any links for me to click in this crosspost OR the original post! I said my opinion and welcomed facts to prove me wrong, and at no point have I tried to argue I’m correct! You’re right, there is no debate, I’m not trying to debate! But I figured someone, maybe even OP, would at least link the studies from the screenshot. Especially since I don’t know what community the discussion originally happened in!

            Maybe the wording of my post drew some ire, and for that I apologize. But I sincerely think that having a misinformed opinion is not cause to shame someone, especially if they’re literally asking for information! If you think that all I’m going to do when I see the studies is call them bullshit, that’s fine, I get it. The internet is hostile and there are bad actors everywhere trying to get people to waste time and energy. But are you seriously going to just shit on me for being ignorant and just tell me “uhhh stop it dumbass” without even trying to educate? I get that I have internalized transphobia… kinda comes with the territory of being a rural trans woman. I just thought this would be the fucking space to ask.

                  • VerilyFemme ( VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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                    2 years ago

                    I explained exactly why I felt your response didn’t address my original question, which indicates that you’re not actually reading my responses. You’re deliberately ignoring my other interactions in this thread to call me a bigot. But I guess there’s bad actors on both sides. Even the other person who let me know I was wrong didn’t spend this much time clashing with me. They just informed me I was wrong and that it wasn’t their job to educate me. And you know, I thought that was an unhelpful response at the time…

                    I should hope anyone reading this can see the interaction I had with flamingembers where they “wasted time” trying to educate me, and it worked.

                    It’s extremely disappointing that you’re ignoring my apologies, attempts to understand your side, and, furthermore, the clarifications I added to my original post. You’re offering the type of discourse that keeps people rooted in their beliefs.

                    Take a page out of Mr. Dixon’s book.