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irelephant [he/him]🍭 ( Irelephant@lemm.ee )  to Piracy: ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ʜɪɢʜ ꜱᴇᴀꜱ@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish · 2 years ago

Meta (facebook) torrented 87.1tb of pirated books to train AI

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Meta (facebook) torrented 87.1tb of pirated books to train AI

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irelephant [he/him]🍭 ( Irelephant@lemm.ee )  to Piracy: ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ʜɪɢʜ ꜱᴇᴀꜱ@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish · 2 years ago
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“Torrenting from a corporate laptop doesn’t feel right”: Meta emails unsealed
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Meta’s alleged torrenting and seeding of pirated books complicates copyright case.
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  • RobotToaster ( RobotToaster@mander.xyz ) 
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    Meta also allegedly modified settings “so that the smallest amount of seeding possible could occur,”

    Big tech taking without giving back to the community once again.

    • FaceDeer ( FaceDeer@fedia.io ) 
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      I think this is still going to be a net benefit to us, though. Meta may not have contributed much bandwidth, which is leeching in the short term, but in the long term they’re now forced to contribute something much more important; lawyer power. Meta is going to have to fight to defend piracy.

      • Bezier ( Bezier@suppo.fi ) 
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        Don’t count on it.

        • FaceDeer ( FaceDeer@fedia.io ) 
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          You think Meta will just roll over and hand out whatever penalties the publishers demand of them?

          Meta isn’t going to be defending us. It’s going to be defending itself. Because it is now one of us.

          • brisk ( brisk@aussie.zone ) 
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            Secret out-of-court settlement is an option.

            Also known as “bribing your way out of the law”

            • FaceDeer ( FaceDeer@fedia.io ) 
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              They’ll compare the amount the publishers are demanding against how much it would cost them to lawyer up to prevent that and any future payments. Meta’s heavyweight enough that they can use “lobbying their way out of the law, aka changing the law so that they’re not violating it at all” as a strategy.

              If they do simply pay the publishers off, oh well, at least it’s just the status quo. But I don’t see a reason to assume that’s the way this is going to go. Other countries have already carved explicit exceptions to copyright for AI training, Meta would be in favor of that kind of thing.

          • Evil_incarnate ( Evil_incarnate@lemm.ee ) 
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            The amount meta will pay is pocket change to them.

      • SorteKanin ( SorteKanin@feddit.dk ) 
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        I like the optimism, but I’d see it before I believe it.

        • FaceDeer ( FaceDeer@fedia.io ) 
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          Well, yes, why would you believe something without seeing it? But given how litigious the publishing industry is about this kind of thing I don’t see it as likely that they wouldn’t fight.

      • Phoenixz ( phoenixz@lemmy.ca ) 
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        You are very naive

        • FaceDeer ( FaceDeer@fedia.io ) 
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          You don’t think the publishing industry would like to sue Meta over this?

      • 0range ( 0range@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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        Yeah they’ll lawyer up, but only for themselves. They have no reason to to do anything that benefits the rest of us.

        Maybe the torrenting community could see some legal benefits, but only if incentives align. Which they very well may not because Meta is not one of us and their interests don’t really align with anyone else’s.

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    • The Ramen Dutchman ( lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network ) 
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  • verdigris ( verdigris@lemmy.ml ) 
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    Motherfuckers are actually arguing that seeding a torrent isn’t “distributing” unless they can show an instance of someone downloading a book from their IP… If that flies they better overturn every fucking piracy conviction ever.

    • Evil_Shrubbery ( Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee ) 
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      For real.

      Just another day in the system only oppressing the poor.

  • forkDestroyer ( forkDestroyer@infosec.pub ) 
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    Aaron Swartz does it for educational journals and gets the hammer brought down on him. Zuck n’ Co do it and get government funding.

    Boo.

    • pH3ra ( pH3ra@lemmy.ml ) 
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      Well Aaron didn’t deepthroat a mushroom-shaped presidential cock to ask for pardon

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    Meta also allegedly modified settings “so that the smallest amount of seeding possible could occur,” a Meta executive in charge of project management, Michael Clark, said in a deposition.

    Douchebags.

    • The Ramen Dutchman ( lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network ) 
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      I think it’s because in the US downloading and owning is by far not as risky as sharing is.
      They get out of liability like that.

  • 🌶️ - knighthawk ( knighthawk0811@lemmy.ml ) 
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    won’t somebody please think of the shareholders?

    • far_university190 ( far_university190@feddit.org ) 
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      Yeah, i do. load gun

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    • CosmicTurtle0 [he/him] ( CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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      The sad thing is that corporations have more rights (quantitatively) than humans.

      • Can offset tax liability through complex structures
      • While they cannot vote, they can effectively hide their identity behind Super PACs
      • Any criminal liability results in fines, never jail time for anyone in charge
      • in fact, all corporate executives benefit from liability shield, so long as their actions can be tied back to benefit the company in any way
      • Can own just about anything a human can own, with the added benefit that they belong to the company. Digital rights (e.g. books, movies, etc.) legally belong to an entity that cannot die.
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  • Chris Lowles ( chrislowles@lemm.ee ) 
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    What gets me the most about these sorts of stories is how they’re specifically doing this for profit and are not only getting away with it, they’re partnering with other megacorps and are collectively being propped up by institutions and governments that jail individuals that wouldn’t even register on the chart for lost profits.

  • sabreW4K3 ( sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al ) 
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    Previous discussion https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/21649585

    • irelephant [he/him]🍭 ( Irelephant@lemm.ee ) OP
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      huh. I pasted the link in the searchbar and nothing came up. Still better than reddit’s search.

      • IndianaJones ( IndianaJones@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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        • irelephant [he/him]🍭 ( Irelephant@lemm.ee ) OP
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          Oh.

      • sabreW4K3 ( sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al ) 
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        As @Jones@lemmy.dbzer0.com points out, it’s a different article, but the same subject matter. It’s not a duplicate post.

  • ramjambamalam ( ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca ) 
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    So they’re one of us? Welcome to the club, outlaws!

  • uis ( uis@lemm.ee ) 
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    That’s very little.

    • Christian ( christian@lemmy.ml ) 
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      87.1tb of books is very little?? Have I just been downloading the smallest size pdf and djvu files by pure luck?

      • uis ( uis@lemm.ee ) 
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        One sci-hub. Very little if we talk about all literature.

    • irelephant [he/him]🍭 ( Irelephant@lemm.ee ) OP
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      Not really, all of 1984 is just 70kb.

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