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irelephant [he/him]🍭 ( Irelephant@lemm.ee )  to Piracy: ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ʜɪɢʜ ꜱᴇᴀꜱ@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish · 2 years ago

Laws only matter if you're not rich.

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Laws only matter if you're not rich.

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irelephant [he/him]🍭 ( Irelephant@lemm.ee )  to Piracy: ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ʜɪɢʜ ꜱᴇᴀꜱ@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish · 2 years ago
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  • Xanza ( Xanza@lemm.ee ) 
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    Not to mention that Swartz had a JSTOR account, which means he was legally entitled to download the things that he did. The part they didn’t like was that he used scripts to download en-mass, and a bunch of boomer fucks thought he actually committed a crime.

    • IllNess ( IllNess@infosec.pub ) 
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      Well in the Social Network movie and chapter 2 of the Accidental Billionaires, Mark Zuckerberg used wget in shell scripts to get copyrighted images for private servers.

      Can we give punish him?

      • sus ( sus@programming.dev ) 
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        Spotify also originally got all its music by pirating it. But later it started printing money for record labels (while fucking over musicians) so all was forgiven.

        • OwlHamster ( OwlHamster@lemm.ee ) 
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          That feels a bit disingenuous. The record labels were already thoroughly fucking over musicians.

        • 3dmvr ( 3dmvr@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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          and youtube got big hosting everything, they took years to take down hella anime, movies, etc.

        • 3dmvr ( 3dmvr@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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          and crunchyroll

      • Natanox ( Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
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        No, he’s part of the US oligarchy. Don’t criticize too much or you might happen to have sudden, unexplainable tech problems and legal trouble. /s

    • Miles O'Brien ( SARGE@startrek.website ) 
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      Old people and overreacting to normal things because new ideas are scary and confusing

      Name a more iconic duo

      • Gingernate ( Gingernate@programming.dev ) 
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        I fear getting old because of this

        • Evil_incarnate ( Evil_incarnate@lemm.ee ) 
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          I am getting old. My parents told me that I’d understand how the world works when I get older, but I just hate it more and more.

          • Laurel Raven ( laurelraven@lemmy.zip ) 
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            Sounds like they were right

          • Schadrach ( Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org ) 
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            My parents told me that I’d understand how the world works when I get older, but I just hate it more and more.

            That’s how you know you’re understanding it.

        • The Ramen Dutchman ( lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network ) 
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          My grandma is the opposite of this, he embraces learning new technology and wants to stay informed with new developments.
          So far my dad is like this as well.
          I strive to become like them, they’re both pretty great people all-round!

        • Petter1 ( Petter1@lemm.ee ) 
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          Can you handle shorts well? I am not (hate them) and I am from 97, like feeling pretty old

          🤣this tiktok shit is crazy

    • coronach ( coronach@lemmy.sdf.org ) 
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      To be fair, he broke and entered a networking closet as well. But I guess that is a separate issue.

      • thisisnotgoingwell ( thisisnotgoingwell@programming.dev ) 
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        The university AND jstor were pretty quick to get as uninvolved from that mess as quick as possible, so it really doesn’t matter… But what you’re saying has nothing to do with the case and is also not true. “Broke and entered” implies forced physical access into a clearly forbidden area. The network closet was a room that was left unlocked and was frequently used by janitorial staff to put junk in.

      • Xanza ( Xanza@lemm.ee ) 
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        IIRC (could be wrong) the closet was unlocked. So can we really call that “breaking and entering?”

        • whoever loves Digit 🇵🇸🇺🇸🏴‍☠️ ( iloveDigit@piefed.social ) Banned
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          Not legally, no

      • layzerjeyt ( laserjet@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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        broke what

    • tate ( tate@lemmy.sdf.org ) 
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      I’m with you right up to the ageism. The folks who persecuted Aaron were older than him, but they were not boomers, and what they did had nothing to do with his age or theirs.

      Bigotry is always wrong.

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        • tate ( tate@lemmy.sdf.org ) 
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          Fine. Use a word for it that isn’t a bigoted slur.

          • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost ( eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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            Boomer isn’t a slur.

            • tate ( tate@lemmy.sdf.org ) 
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              When it is used to denigrate a “mindset” that you don’t like, it is most certainly a slur. When used to refer to folks who were born between 1945 and 1960, it is not.

              We’ve all agreed (almost all) to stop using the word retarded to refer derogatorily to folks who do not have that medical condition.

              Any word can be used as a slur.

              • itslilith ( itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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                Any word can be used as a slur? Really? Please explain what a slur is to you. I agree that every word can be used as an insult, you absolute Brokkoli, but that’s down to tone and context, more than anything, isn’t a slur more than that?

                • daltotron ( daltotron@lemmy.ml ) 
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                  isn’t a slur more than that?

                  Not really. I could provide actual specific examples, but I don’t really want to start saying like, slurs, so. I think maybe if you think that you couldn’t make a slur out of almost any word, then you’re not being creative enough, or, you haven’t acclimated to how creative some of these other guys can be.

                  Here, I’ll come up with a theoretical example. You could probably make a slur out of, say, calling someone a banana-eater, right. I can even imagine two ways to do that.

                  You could have it be, okay, well, monkeys eat bananas, so, the banana eater is like a monkey, and then obviously comparing people to monkeys is gonna be a little bit of a red flag, is maybe racist, especially depending on whether or not you’re using it to be racist, or applying it disproportionately to one group of people. I’ve seen people just throwing out, like, the specific lego number piece of the mass produced lego monkey, whenever they see a black guy online. I think, at that point, that’s basically a slur, in how they’re using it, and that’s like, just a sequence of numbers.

                  Or, you could say, okay, well, bananas are kind of a phallic type of food, right, like hot dogs, or whatever, so, people eating bananas are gay, as a kind of substitute for a cock. So, it could also be a homophobic thing.

                  This is all dependent on the context of use, too. If you’re exclusively calling one group “banana-eaters” based on their intrinsic traits, that’s gonna turn that expression into a slur more. It could also be a statement of fact, right, oh, chuck over there, he’s a banana-eater, he eats bananas, sure. It depends entirely on use. If you need evidence for how this shit can progress then you need only look at websites like 4chan or some other such nonsense.

                  On top of all this you kind of have the complications of, say, slurs only really applying to particular intrinsic traits that people have rather than others. Slurs can apply to black people, but calling someone a “cracker”, despite being still based on an intrinsic trait, of white skin, isn’t really a slur. Neither is, as upthread, calling someone a “boomer”, because we all age over time, where it’s sort of used generically just to refer to anyone older than you, or because it’s usually applied as a reference to a very specific class of people that have a specific socioeconomic context, more than just being based on their age. You’ll usually only hear people call, say, american boomers “boomers”, in that context, but you won’t hear that in, say, china, or africa, or most of south america, or whatever. It’s a reference to the post-war boom years, explicitly.

                  There are also certain subcultures which re-appropriate slurs, which basically means that those words aren’t really slurs in how they’re being used in that subculture. I’m sure you can think of examples of that.

              • Venia Silente ( veniasilente@lemm.ee ) 
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                Okay, “apricot”.

                • tate ( tate@lemmy.sdf.org ) 
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                  Much better! I approve!

                  Let’s try to make this work! Please?

      • Scary_le_Poo ( Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org ) 
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  • Detun3d ( detun3d@lemm.ee ) 
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    Important to note Aaron was helping democratize information while companies like Meta, Amazon, Google and Microsoft just centralize, twist and redact information to monetize access to a dumbed down and censored version of it.

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    Rest in power, Aaron. 🫡

    Eat the rich.

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      They’d make better fertilizer (especially with that plastic-eating fungus on hand), so there’s taking a bite outta world hunger in the same stroke. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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    deleted by creator

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    Goes to show how much of a joke copyright is. These laws are bought by and made to protect the interests of corporations. disgusting. rip aaron schwarz, your ideas live on.

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    He was murdered. He did not commit suicide.

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    I am getting so sick of this fucked up world.

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    Another reason to tell Obama to fuck himself.

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      Along with his treatment of Snowden doing a public good.

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    I love Anna’s archive. I still buy e-books, but will download a drm free copy from the archive.

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    Crazy idea:

    If copyright was invented to prevent printers from scooping authors’ work and out-competing them for sales…

    Maybe copyright should only apply if you’re trying to compete with the author?

    So like, not if you’re just a lowly individual trying to keep up with the references all of society is making, or understand the world you live in.

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      out-competing them for sales…

      Boy that is a really mental gymnastics way of saying “profiting from someone else’s work”.

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    It’s becoming more and more obvious that they were always referencing bank accounts when saying we’re a country of checks and balances.

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    Is it safe to assume that every single author (apart from the ones that cannot prove their works were in any of those archives at the time) can sue meta for plagiarism and theft?

    • NSRXN ( nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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      plagiarism is an academic crime, not a civil tort.

      • inv3r5ion ( inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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        It’s a copyright violation to use someone’s work without permission. (Regardless of your feelings about copyright or intellectual property)

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          plagiarism is neither a civil tort nor a criminal offense.

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            Back when I worked as a designer, using work without paying for usage rights leads to exposure of being civilly sued for copyright violations.

            You’re wrong. Confidently wrong.

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              if you were sued civilly for copyright violations, that’s not plagiarism. That’s copyright infringement. plagiarism is something else.

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                Plagiarism is an infringement against copyright.

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                  if I plagiarize The Bible, that has nothing to do with copyright. it’s still plagiarism.

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                  no it’s not. it’s an academic crime.

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      It’s possibly classed as fair use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors_Guild,_Inc._v._Google,_Inc.

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    Aaron Swartz lives on

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    I genuinely believe that if he was still around he’d of ended up a proponent for federated social media. I’m pretty sure he was the driving force behind opening it’s source, and it wasn’t until four years after his death that it was closed off again.

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