You’re right, we should focus on Lemmy.ml instead.
Please don’t
They are not as extreme, but you cannot realistically have a civilized discussion on their servers. Unfortunately they are much more established with several big communities which are hesitant to move to more reasonable servers so while hexbear was an easy insta-ban for me and most other Lemmy users, we’re stuck individually blocking ml users for now.
But hopefully because of the idiotic choice of the ml domain, they will eventually go the way of hexbear.
Wasn’t the whole .ml domain an issue way back during the reddit migration too, cause its the domain for Mali? I remember it being an issue when I came over to Lemmy, which was back during that migration. When Reddit locked down its api and a bunch of redditors (me included) did a “blackout” to protest.
Yes it was. That’s exactly what I was referring to.
How come nothing came of that?
I blocked the entire instance and I’m doing just fine.
I’m glad you’re using lemmy the way you want and not being weird and expecting the admission to block things for you. Take care, peace.
Don’t talk to me.
I did too but I still see the users. It just blocks all their communities.
Welcome to a tutorial on how to block .ml on your personal account.
In the top right corner of the top of the page, there are 3 horizontal white bars. Click it.
This will open up a drop down menu. At the bottom of that menu, you will see your username. Click it.
This will open another drop down menu with 3 options. Click “Settings”.
At the top of your screen you will see 2 tabs. Click the one that says “Blocks”.
Here you will see “Block user” “Block community” and “Block instance”. Click the down arrow below “Block instance”.
This will open up a search bar. Type “lemmy.ml” and click it after it shows up.
That’s it! You’ve blocked .ml and will never see content from the instance. Now you don’t need to make a feud post every day complaining about .ml and other instances you disapprove of. Think of all the time you will save!
But wait, we aren’t done yet in this menu. Click the down arrow under “Block user”. Now type “UltraGiGaGigantic” Make sure you select my .ml account as the other ones I no longer use. Thanks, appreciate it.
This whole instance-tribalism seems very self-defeating to me. Why be decentralised if everyone ends up so boxed off that there are just a handful of isolated instance-clusters talking amongst themselves? It’s like how email (SMTP) is decentralised but the mega-hosts act like a cabal, gatekeeping so strongly (and virtually doing blocklist-by-default for unrecognised servers - even of good standing) ultimately capturing the user-base by undermining the decentralisation. Luckily with DKIM/SPF/DMARC/ARC/etc and stronger anti-trust regulations email seems to be slowly climbing back out of that hole. Unfortunately with all the banal tribalism it feels like much of the new Activitypub based tech users are willfully climbing into that same hole, without even being corralled there by mega-hosts.
You would think so. But .world cannot help themselves from slinging their shit over the fence.
Their mods remove posts critical of .world for “harassment” but gladly leave up blanket insults against instances more left wing than them.
Lemmy.world seem to be more middle-of-the-road on many things while Lemmy.ml and Hexbear seem pretty intolerant to me
I think it was on Lemmy.ml that I saw someone have their posts deleted allegedly for spreading US propaganda or some reason like that, when all they had said was that the war in Ukraine was started by Russia invading Ukraine in 2014 (I’m pretty sure this is factually true and Ukraine didn’t invade any of Russia until 2024)
.world has a Zionist rating website (mbfc) as their “allowed sources” list. Tolerance is very subjective.
People usually don’t see site wide bans on lemmy.ml in a very good light: https://feddit.nl/post/16246531
I think communities similar to reddit and lemmy are doomed. The site was never the biggest issue, it was the people.
Hexbear is also just straight up dead rn, can’t see their shit til they secure a new domain
Hexbear can’t federate but you can see their content at: https://chapo.chat/
Regardless of whether you’re politically left or right, I feel like the hexbear crowd is just tremendously unfriendly. Even when I agree with them, I usually feel bad reading what they have to say. Being unwelcoming is not a good strategy for proliferating one’s politics.
they will quite literally tear you up if you so much as do an outside think, i posted one comment, and got banned immediately.
hahaha, for those who like to play along, it’s always fun to check the moderation history of the user under the comment with the three dot menu when someone complains about bans. I actually lol’d when I saw the ban from lemmy.ml/c/chess.
Depends, if you’re a Communist or an Anarchist and aren’t being sectarian (except against, like, Gonzaloists that support Gonzalo and defend Pol Pot), it’s very friendly. By not allowing liberalism, it ends up stopping endless arguments between leftists and liberals before they can even start.
Tankies shit my pants.
Am I taking crazy pills? Last I heard hexbear doesn’t even exist anymore.
Are yall so laser focused on feudposting you missed that piece of news?
Hexbear exists, the domain is changing names and federation is broken for now but posting is still happening on chapo.chat.
I had to check but hexbear currently redirects to chapo.chat so I assume they have the domain for now.
Which says a lot about the manufactured outrage. Nobody even has a clue what is going on over at hexbear, but somehow their Lemmy experience is ruined by it.
I had to check but hexbear currently redirects to chapo.chat so I assume they have the domain for now.
Not for me it doesn’t, I can access it fine.
Clear your cache, the Hexbear domain is up for auction and (as it has for days now) will redirect to chapo.chat, their old domain that they still-owned.
Am I taking crazy pills? Last I heard hexbear doesn’t even exist anymore.
It’s wild how much a game of telephone happens even within what you’d expect to be the closest circle of association
Check again, it’s right there.
Hmm, I was wondering why I didn’t see them (last I knew, my instance didn’t defederate them). What happened?
They forgot to renew their domain 😂
The former admins still have control of the domain and can’t be reached. Stop saying shit when you haven’t done any investigation.
Aren’t world the wokes/libs/whatever is the current pejorative
liberal is the tankie version of screaming woke at everything.
Source: you
That’s a dilemma, how to know if someone yelling everything they don’t like is lib & woke is either a maga or a tankie
Tankies don’t scream woke, they only scream lib. Hope that helps
They don’t scream woke but they still hate discussions about marginalized communities because they are all privileged white class reductionists.
But it makes sense once you think about it. The patriarchy is about ten or twenty times as old as capitalism (depending on the definition). Of cause it will disappear once capitalism is abolished. Racism is about twice as old as capitalism. How could it function without capitalism once again?
But tbf hexbear does have a sizable trans community
It was more of a rhetorical question, no need to differentiate, synonyms and analogous terms can live in the same bucket
Little too close for comfort huh
Nah world is full of liberals but they get real uppity when you start going after liberalism from the left
This is partly why I’ve chosen a different instance other than .world. I can control what is and isn’t in my feed, and it’s not like contemporary American centrist liberals have the best ideas when it comes to the current political landscape.
Apparently everyone’s a “lib” when you’re an authoritarian
American republicans have less than zero political literacy, and you are going off their understanding of liberal. Here’s a 300 page book going through what liberalism meant to every major liberal philosopher and how they dealt with the contradictions over the last 250 years or so. Guess which definition is used in any serious political work in the last 250 years?
To be clear I think using “liberal” to mean “socialist” is just as stupid as using it to mean “economically neo-liberal”. Most dictionary definitions concentrate on the actual definition of the word in everyday usage and then also mention the political theory definitions. Choosing your insult to be a word that most people assume means something else is a terrible way to communicate.
You’re not wrong, communists do have issues with effective communication. It’s not trivial due to definitions and framing propagated by liberal institutions being designed, sometimes intentionally, to make it more difficult to communicate our ideas.
Compared to the rest of Lemmy they’re not very woke
Well the auth instances hate their wokeness
This thread brought out a ton of tone police lol
Don’t know what to tell you folks who keep constantly posting non-constructive conversations by just blaming everything on capitalism. No solutions other than offering communism, rioting, and constantly bitching. That gets old.
No solutions other than offering a solution.
You’re literally using a communist platform right now. Owned and run by “the workers”, and free to use.
Ok, comrad.
hexbear
the wokes
Okay now that’s hilarious
I got permabanned from Hexbear for simply denouncing ageism. Apparently not falling for the divisive labels they stick on every generation so they can blame each other is not tolerated.
Imagine thinking hexbear is “woke”. Literally just cosplaying Nazis.
Hexbear is Communist/Anarchist, not fascist. They are quite “woke” if “woke” means supporting LGBTQ rights and ethnic minority rights. If you think Communism/Anarchism are fascist, then you might want to read Blackshirts and Reds.
Yeah, lemmy.ml is the exact same situation, so your opinion is akin to Putin letting me know the Russians are really trustworthy.
If you don’t trust me, then you can probably trust Dr. Michael Parenti, who wrote Blackshirts and Reds. The first couple chapters are all you really need to understand the major and critical differences between Communism and fascism, and why ever conflating the two makes no sense whatsoever in theory or in history.
But the members aren’t communists. They’re republicans. With a pretty clear agenda. They can play pretend outwardly, but if you’ve seen enough internal posts and commentary it’s painfully obvious. Not to mention they don’t give a shit about communistic ideals, they literally just fawn over fascism and it’s historic leaders.
The members of what are republicans? What on Earth are you talking about? Who is fawning over fascism and fascist leaders? What is this incoherent rant talking about?
Ah, okay, we’re going to play that game. Have a good one, and fuck tankies. 😘
What “game?” The only “game” I can see is you jumping through hoops to justify not having to explain your conspiracy theories and to avoid reading books that would help you understand the world around you. The “game” seems to be seeing how long you can intentionally keep your head in the sand.
World is federated, just not with absolute junk instances.
The point is that Lemmy.world defederated from Hexbear, so the complaints about Hexbear coming from Lemmy.world users frequently are based on second-hand information.
In my view, horseshoe theory is pretty accurate
For example, people in the middle recognise that Ukraine was the victim of an invasion, but people on the far-right and far-left both insist that Russia is the real victim for some reason
Maybe it’s because both the far-right and far-left envy the state power that Putin has?
i think politics is more nuanced than can be described by a single dimension, curving it so you can tell yourself that “rational” is in the middle and that “crazy” lives at the ends is some Dunning Kreuger shit.
You’re putting things in quotes that I didn’t say, which is REAL Dunning-Kruger shit.
The point is that horseshoe theory is uninformed child logic. If you want to find pearls to clutch and take it personally that’s on you.
It actually looks more like this
Worth noting that neither axis is labeled, and that the graph itself doesn’t make an effort to understand anything “tankies” support or denounce. It’s just vibes-based analysis.
Nearly everyone outside of the enlightened rational centrists has soured on this whole idea of “benevolent interventionism,” with very good reason. We’ve seen how our leaders used lies and deception time and time again to get involved in pointless, destructive wars for their own interests. People look back at Iraq and Afghanistan, and Vietnam, etc, and say they were obviously unjustified, but at the time people supported them, and everyone was immersed in propaganda. Of course, in every war, those who push back for any reason are always accused of treason and supporting the other side, whether the specific term is pinko, terrorist sympathizer, or tankie.
It’s really no mystery why a bunch of disparate political groups oppose a conflict halfway around the world under the same leadership and media that led us into Iraq and Afghanistan, the mystery is why liberals are so willing to trust them again.
I’m not saying I support western intervention in Ukraine necessarily. I wish there was no war at all over there. I’m just saying that between Ukraine and Russia, Russia has been the aggressor. Also I’ve definitely seen some Lemmy leftists (but definitely not all leftists out there) who are in favour of Putin’s regime, for unknown reasons.
It’s really no mystery why a bunch of disparate political groups oppose a conflict halfway around the world
You’re basically proving my point by admitting that you do have a very similar view to the far-right.
who are in favour of Putin’s regime, for unknown reasons
Have you tried asking? Or do you not believe the reasons they tell you?
You’re basically proving my point by admitting that you do have a very similar view to the far-right.
“Wow, both the far-right and the far-left distrust the US government, therefore they must be exactly the same.” This is such a childish analysis. I could just as easily say that both liberals and fascists dislike communism, therefore liberals and fascists are the same. Or fascists could say that both liberals and communists dislike fascism and are therefore the same. It’s such a nonsense point that it’s hardly worth a response.
Have you tried asking? Or do you not believe the reasons they tell you?
So you are you in favour of Putin’s regime? In which case I don’t see how you can think of yourself as a leftist. If you actually do support Putin’s regime then you have a lot in common with the far-right who also do.
If Putin’s regime was in the US then many people would call such a regime fascism.
So you are you in favour of Putin’s regime?
Not particularly, no, but I suppose it depends on what it means to “support” a foreign leader. No matter what I say I support or oppose, it’s not going to change the material world unless I take actions with the aim of achieving specific results. And it seems to me that my primary mechanism for affecting foreign politics is through the actions of my own government. Do I want my government to undermine Putin’s government? No. Do I see Putin’s government as worthy of emulation? Also no.
My position as a leftist is to focus on class interests. Both Ukraine and Russia are capitalist governments that do very little for the people, and who controls what will make little material difference to lives of ordinary people. What does make a difference is the war, in which people are being drafted and thrown into a meat grinder to fight over rubble. What’s the point in dying to maintain a shitty system? Even if there was a point, it was probably inevitable that Ukraine would be unable to reclaim all it’s territory, so the choice was always, “Accept territorial concessions now, or accept territorial concessions after a bunch of people have died.” Of course, I don’t support Russia’s involvement either, but my government isn’t funding Russia.
Meanwhile, of course, the US is massively overextended. Decades long conflicts in the Middle East, supporting genocide in Palestine, sabre rattling with China, and now fighting a proxy war with China. Had we been more cautious and restrained in the past, perhaps we would have enough diplomatic leverage to diplomatically isolate Russia and enforce sanctions effectively. Or, perhaps if we gave up on Ukraine, the government could’ve more effectively isolated China. But by taking on both simultaneously, they’ve been pushed together, and the US has thrown away the key asset that allowed it to win the Cold War: the Sino-Soviet split.
Even if the war was completely justified and black-and-white, we would still need to consider the practical and realistic questions about whether maintaining the territorial integrity of a country on the other side of the world that most people can’t find on a map is really worth it, or even achievable. But liberals seem to really, really hate this kind of analysis, as if the world was a Saturday morning cartoon where the good guy always wins. The US is not Superman. We are dealing with all sorts of domestic issues which have given rise to the far-right, and that poses a much greater existential threat than control over Donbass.
How on earth can you accuse me of not being a leftist and being similar to the far-right for saying that we should spend more money on schools and hospitals and less money on bombs? What do left and right even mean to you?
Decent points to be honest. Maybe the US could have helped Ukraine negotiate something where they very reluctantly give up some land to Russia in return for proper security (with western backing) for the rest of Ukraine. Obviously not an ideal situation, but yes it could have prevented a lot of deaths. And maybe western countries would have realised that more investment in defence would be needed to properly protect the rest of Ukraine, and the rest of Europe, and other countries.
How on earth can you accuse me of not being a leftist and being similar to the far-right for saying that we should spend more money on schools and hospitals and less money on bombs?
It’s just where you said “do you not believe the reasons they tell you?”. I thought you were meaning that there are genuine reasons to support or like Putin’s regime, and that I just wasn’t believing those reasons.
Being anti-war is definitely a good position. Perhaps I shouldn’t have generalised across all of Lemmy.ml and Hexbear to assume that everyone on those instances believes the same things. My perspective has just been based on intolerance I have seen from those instances in the past, e.g. Lemmy.ml mods labelling posts as US propaganda because those posts mentioned that Russia was the aggressor in the Ukraine war.
Horseshoe theory is just a holdout from the liberal notion of “3 pillars,” Fascism, Communism, and Liberalism, as a way to justify Liberalism within the West. It doesn’t actually make any sense and just leads to obfuscation of critical differences.
Sure there will be more political positions than just three. I just think that some people (not all) on the far-left seem to have authoritarian and/or intolerant views, which some people on the far-right also have.
What counts as “authoritarian?” I’d argue Liberals are quicker to support systems I would consider authoritarian than Leftists are. What views are they intolerant of? I think taking a firmer stance against fascism than Liberals do historically is a good thing, so I want to know an example you think is bad to be intolerant of that makes that an issue towards Leftists for you.
I’m pretty far left, but i think ukraine was the victim of an invasion. Putin is a POS.
Fair enough. I’m definitely not saying everyone on the left is the same as the far-right, I don’t believe that at all.
It just seems to me there’s a segment of people who consider themselves on the far-left (posters from Lemmy.ml and Hexbear sometimes) who hold positions which can be quite similar to the far-right. Another position that both segments sometimes hold is that Israel shouldn’t exist. I definitely disagree a lot with the current Israeli government but if someone says Israel shouldn’t exist then you may as well say that no country should exist.
but if someone says Israel shouldn’t exist then you may as well say that no country should exist.
You’re so close.
Also, would you have said the same of people saying Nazi Germany shouldn’t exist during WW2?
You’re so close.
So no countries should exist? Sometimes I wonder how a single world government would work. But maybe it’s not worth thinking about too much since it’s not a realistic prospect currently.
would you have said the same of people saying Nazi Germany shouldn’t exist during WW2?
Perhaps it’s reasonable to say that a peaceful and non-genocidal Germany can exist (today’s Germany I think fits into that description). So maybe the same applies to Israel.
When the ICC issued arrest warrants for the leaders of Israel and Hamas, I thought that made sense, because both sides killed civilians. Both sets of leaders should probably face trials. Maybe in the future Israel and Palestine can both be led by peaceful governments.
Not who you were replying to, but I think this is a good point to jump in. A world Socialist government is necessary as production advances, it’s a process and not a decision someone can make.
Either way, Israel only exists through Settler-Colonialism and genocide of Palestinians. Hamas is a reaction to Israel’s genocide of Palestinians, condemning both the oppressor and the oppressed due to both “using violence” just serves to preserve the status quo. I think you’d benefit greatly from reading Frantz Fanon. The “two-state” solution isn’t a solution, it just entrenches the genocide of Palestinians. A single, secular state (the solution commonly supported by Palestinian experts) is the only way to stop the genocide.
It just that with one dimension all you can measure is linear distance. Everything is a point on a line. Politics is a higher dimensional surface.
Basically it’s Flatland.