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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ ( yogthos@lemmy.ml )  to World News@lemmy.ml · 5 years ago

Italian TV channel La7 showed the serial number of the Tochka-U missile that hit Kramatorsk station. The serial number SH91579 the missile was traced back to the Ukrainian army.

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Italian TV channel La7 showed the serial number of the Tochka-U missile that hit Kramatorsk station. The serial number SH91579 the missile was traced back to the Ukrainian army.

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ ( yogthos@lemmy.ml )  to World News@lemmy.ml · 5 years ago
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  • flag ( flag@beehaw.org ) 
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    There could be a million reasons for that, maybe they captured the missile?

    Are you saying that Ukraine attacked the train station? If so I would like some proof please.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ ( yogthos@lemmy.ml ) OP
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      A missile that is actively used by Ukraine and has been phased out from use by Russia back in 2019 hit the train station. The serial number on the missile traces it back to Ukraine. It’s up to people claiming that Ukraine didn’t fire the missile to show proof of that and not the other way around.

    • Catraism-Stalinism ( Catradora_Stalinism@lemmy.ml ) BannedBanned
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      the military is mostly nazi scum, and the same ones used child soldiers and shelled their own people multiple times. Nazis use these tactics for propaganda and a fake moral high ground all the time.

    • Catradora-Stalinism☭ ( American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml ) 
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      heres another video on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_JVhaTxC00

  • Jama ( Jama@lemmy.ml ) 
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    I can’t find any source on that tweet

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ ( yogthos@lemmy.ml ) OP
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      The source is linked in the thread. Here’s the video that aired on the news https://twitter.com/Egitaniense/status/1512813737580941315

      • Jama ( Jama@lemmy.ml ) 
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        This is the video of the serial number. Which source link this number to Ukrainian army?

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ ( yogthos@lemmy.ml ) OP
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          Here are a couple of threads regarding the serial numbers

          https://twitter.com/PeterCronau/status/1513088826863849473

          https://twitter.com/elenaevdokimov7/status/1512952287656046592

          • Jama ( Jama@lemmy.ml ) 
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            Which aren’t source. Tweets, posts, telegrams, etc. claiming something aren’t sources

            • gun ( gun@lemmy.ml ) 
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              These tweets include pictures, documents, links to other sources, etc. How can a tweet not be a source when it contains first hand evidence? It has to be posted somewhere…

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ ( yogthos@lemmy.ml ) OP
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              What you presumably mean by sources is western mainstream news, and then when western mainstream doesn’t report on it any other sources have to be discarded. Seems rather convenient.

              The fact is that Russia decommissioned tochka-u in 2019, but Ukrainian military still has them in use. Ukraine originally claimed it was an iskander missile, which Russia uses. They have since admitted that it is in fact a tochka-u.

    • ree ( ree@lemmy.ml ) 
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      Obviously the twitter poster is an expert on tracing back missiles

      Didn’t you read their bio?

      “hunter & gatherer, digger & diver. Stretched between China and Italy, I wear an old ushanka.”

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ ( yogthos@lemmy.ml ) OP
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        Imagine the embarrassment you could’ve saved yourself if you only bothered to read through the thread before commenting. Multiple sources are linked there. Here’s an actual video that aired on the news:

        https://twitter.com/Egitaniense/status/1512813737580941315

        • Jama ( Jama@lemmy.ml ) 
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          The source we search is the one who linked the serial number to Ukrainian army, not the video of the serial number itself

          • ree ( ree@lemmy.ml ) 
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            That site is exhausting. For one piece of good information we need to navigate blatant misinformation.

            • gun ( gun@lemmy.ml ) 
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              Such is life. And research in general.

              • ree ( ree@lemmy.ml ) 
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                Truth

      • Catradora-Stalinism☭ ( American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml ) 
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        where’s your proof?

    • Catradora-Stalinism☭ ( American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml ) 
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      https://voxnews.info/2022/04/09/kramatorsk-missile-che-ha-fatto-strage-e-ucraino-la-prova-inconfutabile-foto/ its something, but IDK, photos are too vague. Still wouldn’t be surprised at all if it was those nazi scum.

      • Jama ( Jama@lemmy.ml ) 
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        Voxnews is a known fake news publisher

        • Catradora-Stalinism☭ ( American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml ) 
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          yep, have you seen their north korea stuff? just leave them alone

        • garret ( garret@lemmy.ml ) 
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          I can confirm that website is known to spread misinformation. I have seen the OP defending Russian propaganda in other posts. I don’t know what is his/her aim but i just hope that some action will be taken. My only worry is if he/she is really a pro Putin fanatic instead of just a troll. That would make me even more sad for such person.

          • FruitFactory ( FruitFactory@lemmy.ml ) 
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            Just use “they”

          • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ ( yogthos@lemmy.ml ) OP
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            I’ve stated on many occasions that I don’t think the invasion was in any way justifiable, and I’m certainly no fan of Putin. That said, it’s pretty clear to me that there is a ton of misinformation about the war in western media. Dismissing things you don’t like as Russian propaganda makes you yourself a propagandist who is unwilling to engage in honest discourse about the situation. I just hope some action will be taken against such people.

            • Kulun ( Kulun@mander.xyz ) 
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              I just hope some action will be taken against such people.

              So, basically, people like you.

              • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ ( yogthos@lemmy.ml ) OP
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                I’m not the one calling anything that doesn’t fit my preconceptions western propaganda.

          • The_Monocle_Debacle ( The_Monocle_Debacle@lemmygrad.ml ) 
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            Go the fuck back to reddit with this bullshit

          • Catradora-Stalinism☭ ( American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml ) 
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            bruh you know your side has so much fucking propaganda that Goebbels would have an orgasm

  • AgreeableLandscape ( AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml ) deleted by creator
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    Yeah that’s getting deleted and never brought up by mainstream media again.

    • Catradora-Stalinism☭ ( American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml ) 
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      Liberals gonna liberal

    • The_Monocle_Debacle ( The_Monocle_Debacle@lemmygrad.ml ) 
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      “aaaaaaand into the hole with that one!”

      • AgreeableLandscape ( AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml ) deleted by creator
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        A Memory Hole.

        Ironic that an anticommunist novel can be so perfectly applied to capitalism. Communism, not so much, unless you count Orwell’s fantasy ideology that doesn’t actually exist.

        • 🏳️‍🌈 Gay Legend 🏳️‍🌈 ( GayLegend@lemmy.ml ) 
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          Bruh imagine witnessing a revolution that has transformed an industrial backwater into a Union capable of defeating the Nazi onslaught (where your monstrous empire of birth is unable to fight at the moment) in your lifetime and then having your British “sensibilities” kick in and write a book about how bad it is while your country still owns INDIA MOTHERFUCKER.

          It just fuckin’ blows my mind sometimes that Orwell wrote 1984 at a time when the SU was the only ones fighting the Nazis in direct combat. Makes you wonder who he preferred, really.

          • InvertedMussolini ( InvertedMussolini@lemmygrad.ml ) 
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            Wait, Orwell like the guy who wrote about the horrible dystopian nature of the Soviet Union and how totalitarianism is propped up by state propaganda while he spent his time working for the irl British version of the Ministry of Truth and who snitched on socialists who were “anti-white” and “possible homosexuals” to the British government?

            The same guy who explained that Europe was a powderkeg around the time of the Spanish Civil War and that the Catalonian armed forces had abysmal training and discipline but that Stalin was “inscrutable” for not wanting to continue throwing materiel at a situation that was openly hostile to the USSR version of socialism and for not wanting to escalate the Spanish Civil War into a regional European war or even a world war because the USSR was still rebuilding from a disastrous world war and an equally disastrous “civil” war/proxy war?

            That George Orwell??

            • Catradora-Stalinism☭ ( American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml ) 
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              the very same

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            He was employed as a propagandist for the BBC.

            And that’s not “all of BBC is prppaganda” snark either, his job was LITERALLY to make propaganda!

  • Kulun ( Kulun@mander.xyz ) 
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    Where is the proof of the trace back?

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