•  FiveMacs   ( @Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca ) 
    29•8 days ago

    Watch for all the incoming threats that they are domestic terrorists and need to be locked up as they ramp up support and rally the masses together to a common goal.

    The common goal is what’s missing. I’ve seen MANY protest posters about every issue in the last 10ish years…not good. Too segregated. It needs to be narrowed down to just democracy. Many people don’t like trans and won’t support it, left or right. But they will support democracy. Not saying it’s right or wrong, but it needs to be unified to draw the most support possible.

    •  millie   ( @millie@beehaw.org ) English
      22•8 days ago

      Many people don’t like trans and won’t support it, left or right.

      This is such a strange way to refer to this. Do you mean trans rights? Trans people? “Trans” as a collective “it” doesn’t make sense.

      Frankly, you stating that you’re “not saying it’s right or wrong” seems to me to reveal your personal bias, especially when combined with this extremely bizarre wording. I don’t think it’s reflective of how most people see us. Generalized transphobia is a minority opinion. Solidarity in the face of oppression isn’t.

      Dividing us isn’t going to work.

      •  FiveMacs   ( @Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca ) 
        4•8 days ago

        I just used trans as an example. Waset specifically trying to out any groups. I’ve just seen protest posters for trans, Tesla, freedom, constitution, gay rights, education, and basically everything that the current prick is trying to dismantle.

        My point was more that the various posters/images for protest that I have seen, are dividing and could easily put people off depending on which one they have seen.

        Don’t get me wrong, I’m all in for everyone’s rights regardless of their beliefs, feelings, thoughts provided they are also inclusive of everyone. (Ie no Nazi bullshit…)

        •  anarchiddy   ( @anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English
          9•8 days ago

          All of those subjects of protests are symptomatic of the larger issue (wealth inequality/oligarchy)

          The protests you’re seeing are the proximal issues people are angry with, but they all share a root cause: oligarchy.

          It’s important because ‘oligarchy’ is too abstract for most people to have strong feelings about, but a specific oligarch destroying public services that everybody rely on is extremely salient. While it might feel divided from your perspective, it’s still very useful for people to recognize the real ways the capital-‘P’-Problem is affecting them.

    •  peregrin5   ( @peregrin5@lemm.ee ) English
      3•8 days ago

      Will they though? The biggest lemmy instance are a bunch of anti-Democratic pro authoritarian tankies. Maybe these people are too terminally online to attend protests but I don’t think we can just assume Democracy is some universal thing we can rally people behind. As they say, if Republicans can’t win via democracy, they will simply abandon it.

        •  peregrin5   ( @peregrin5@lemm.ee ) English
          3•8 days ago

          Like I said:

          “Maybe these people are too terminally online to attend protests”

          So I agree you can’t extrapolate the behavior of society as a whole from what happens on Lemmy, but you can use it to pinpoint outliers.

          I was just using the .ml instance as one example to show that “democracy” isn’t as universally unifying as OP thinks.

      •  millie   ( @millie@beehaw.org ) English
        3•8 days ago

        I would frankly be shocked to discover that instances like lemmy.ml aren’t either mostly populated by bot-farm workers and state actors or by people who’ve been taken in by their rhetoric. They don’t seem very representative of real people who aren’t terminally online with an extremely niche perspective.

  •  4am   ( @4am@lemm.ee ) 
    11•8 days ago

    They’re such techfasch gooners they claim to have evidence that the crowds were overestimated because “GPS shows that there were closer to 20,000 people there”

    Ok first off, that still huge

    Second off how the fuck you get those numbers? No way you have access to even the government tracking data on that, let alone private companies.

    EXCEPT…Twitter. Which, in case you haven’t noticed, many people have stopped using and deleted the app from their phones!

    This motherfucker tanked his user base and then didn’t even remember that he can’t see literally every phone in the country.

  •  friendly_ghost   ( @friendly_ghost@beehaw.org ) 
    2•8 days ago

    To quote @QueerSatanic on Mastodon:

    Bernie Sanders and AOC are kettling the current protest movement back inside electoralism and the Democratic Party, and the results are going to be disastrous

    what we want out of the Democratic Party is something it is not and will never be: an entity that collects votes downstream from organizing people and providing for their needs by redistributing resources to those who come in asking for them and even more than that, connects people with one another to solve problems for themselves directly without need for intermediary

    if every Bernie Sanders and AOC rally were centered around, “This is a crisis, and you need to be bringing democracy to every aspect of your lives right now: while you are standing here, text five of your neighbors, five of your co-workers, five of your family members or close friends, and introduce yourself to five people here, and then organize your workplace, organize your neighborhood, and organize your personal connections. If you can’t do that, think about why you can’t, and get to work. The next time we visit, be able to talk to people in your life about what you need to be doing together to take care of one another and those who can’t take care of themselves” — if every rally did that, there would be no complaints.

    Instead, all that Democratic politicians can ever offer is a kettle toward electoralism, a siphon toward the promise of kinder bosses, and a sapping of all the strength we need right now to face the moment we’re in