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Palestinian film director and Academy Award-winner Hamdan Ballal was violently attacked by what his colleague described as a “lynch mob” of Israeli settlers on Monday night in the Palestinian village of Susya, south of Hebron in the occupied West Bank.
Ballal’s whereabouts are now unknown after Israeli soldiers then seized him from the ambulance that arrived to treat him, his co-director and fellow Oscar winner of the documentary No Other Land, Yuval Abraham, said on X.
Abraham, a journalist for +972 magazine, said in a separate post featuring a shaky cell phone video that masked settlers “attacked Hamdan’s village, they continued to attack American activists, breaking their car with stones”.
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Reddit liberals are in here trying to make this about their own misunderstanding if a term.
If this was your first response to hearing about occupiers attacking and disappearing someone, reconsider your priorities.
But if liberals don’t litigate and diminish every act of fascist violence how will they meaningfully interact with politics? They don’t got a vote coming for another two years!
The problem is this case is that ‘a lynching’ implies that the mob is going against the authorities, which is absolutely not the case when it comes to settler violence. The Israeli soldiers are there to protect and facilitate the settlers in their attacks against Palestinians. Under no circumstances does the IDF deserve the benefit of the doubt and the article makes it clear that they are the ones who abducted Hamdan anyway.
Ask yourself whether it was normal for cops to be at lynchings, then re-read my previous comment.
Part of what makes a lynching a lynching is subversion of the criminal justice process and yes that probably often involved cops joining the lynch mob. However, these Israeli settlers aren’t subverting anything. They are not vigilantes. They are attacking and terrorizing Palestinians without any pretext of justice.
If you think just a bit harder about what it means for cops to be in on lynchings you will realize that you are drawing attention to an ahistorical and false semantics debate rather than keeping focus on the injustice posted. Just like these Reddit liberals trying to split hairs.
You should consider how using the wrong words for things might be playing into the hands of Zionists. Maybe you are.
You are wrong both semantically and in emphasis. I have had to say this 3 times already. I pointed out that it’s wrong to put so much emphasis on the former, it is distracting from the injustice, and your response was to be contrarian while ignoring what I’ve argued.
Do some self-criticism.
I give you: every lynching ever under Jim Crow in the American South.
The lynching narrative presupposes that the perpetrators are a mob of otherwise normal people driven to take justice into their own hands by extreme ignorance and prejudice that can eventually be overcome by education in tolerance. Is that how you feel about the Israeli settlers? The way I feel about them is that they are not normal yet severely ignorant people. They are invaders who know exactly what they are doing. There is no pretense of justice for them to take into their own hands. They cannot be taught to coexist with the Palestinians they are trying to ethnically cleanse from the West Bank. They need to be driven at gun point back to Long Island or at least Israel 1948. Calling it lynching minimizes the settlers’ culpability.
So, I’m prob one of those “Reddit liberals” you’re referring to who thinks Harris would’ve been at least slightly better than Trump hah. And my first thought when I saw this was “what the fuck is wrong with these people”….
I mean they did change the title, it seems
Palestinian Oscar winner missing after being severely beaten by Israeli settlers
The article still uses the term “lynch mob” and “lynched” but that’s in direct quotes. It is kinda misleading term it seems. I was thinking that the dude was killed too.
Somehow, the overwhelming replies in this thread are about semantics rather than the absolute unconscionable act perpetrated by an invading populace upon native civilians.
The IDF should rename to IDGF, fits more with the character.
tbf its now more people complaining about the people complaining about semantics.
People love to prove how “smart” they are. It’s extremely reliable.
I unfortunately still mindlessly scroll Facebook when I’m bored. When I see some kind of obvious rage bait, people will trip over themselves to comment about it, even if a thousand other people have already said what they came to say.
The kind of things I’m taking about are like this. Completely mispronouncing a common word in every single video. The kind of word that no one ever mispronounces. Or someone opens their refrigerator to get something out of it and there’s random items conspicuously placed in it that obviously didn’t belong there.
The kind of things that anyone with half a brain knows is purposefully done. And yet thousands of people will shit themselves trying to get the comments opened so they can correct the record.
“engagement” and “content” made us so desensitised to violence that we’ve collectively lost the ability to empathise.
100 years later and “the death of one is a tragedy, the death of 1M is statistics” is still relevant. Fuck…
One of the best proofs that the Zionist genociders use antisemitism as a shield is that if they wanted to go after an actual antisemite with an Oscar, all this time they could have lynched Mel Gibson and everyone would support them.
I don’t think the antisemites would support them.
What the fuck is wrong with these people?
Zionism indoctrination since childhood.
Religion brain rot
No, settler colonialism
Emboldened by religion. They work hand in hand.
Do you think that they’d displace other Jewish people if they were living there already? I’m pretty sure its the religious fanaticism fueling this.
Yes they straight up have displaced Jewish Palestinians.
My understanding is the existing Jewish population was integrated into Israel.
There was some integration (as second class citizens) and some displacement.
there can be no peace while the structure of the state of israel, the ideological apparatus that sustains it, and the support of the colonial nations of the west, remain standing. and jewish people themselves should know that.
there used to be a joke about how israel is like a former well educated university professor who made the aliyah after being ran over by a german truck driver, and used to throw stones at the poor palestinian 14-year old washergirl who lives in the backlot. now the father of the girl threw some stones back and the professor went full priklopil keeping the whole family at his basement, trturing and rping them on a daily basis.
For anyone wondering:
Aliyah: is the immigration of Jews from the diaspora to, historically, the geographical Land of Israel or the Palestine region, which is today chiefly represented by the State of Israel.
priklopil: Natascha Maria Kampusch (born 17 February 1988) is an Austrian author and former talk show host. At the age of 10, on 2 March 1998, she was abducted and held in a secret cellar by her kidnapper Wolfgang Přiklopil for more than eight years, until she escaped on 23 August 2006.
That’s a tough joke.
I don’t think you know what lynched means. They killed him then kidnapped him? What is the IDF into necrophilia?
It can mean mean any sort of extra-judicial punishment. I agree it’s not the best choice of words, but context makes it pretty clear that he was not killed.
“Lynching is an extrajudicial killing by a group.” Wikipedia (content warning - prominently displayed picture of a lynching victim)
I came across a couple definitions (e.g., https://www.thefreedictionary.com/lynch) that didn’t necessarily include killing, however after looking at a few more dictionaries in the top of the search result, the general consensus is that it includes killing.
honestly, these days can we be absolutely sure they are not?
regardless of the probable misuse of the term, this story (if otherwise accurate) has fucked up my day in an outsized way.
I’m sorry! It is really hard. I hope they’re still alive…
@doomsdayrs@lemmy.ml Before reporting me maybe reread what I actually wrote.
@OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml I hope you can see my comments are on the title not making sense and then ripping on the military. IDK what @doomsdayrs@lemmy.ml is reading to think I support the them or their imperialist country.
He was not lynched. Lynching implies killing. He was assaulted, yes, but not lynched.
The previous commenter is buried way down so here is again
He was assaulted by a lynch mob.
The difference is basically just grammar.
Ah yes we didn’t “kill him” we “almost killed him” thank you internet stranger. For if it weren’t for you, this article would’ve spread false narratives
How does it feel to be so absolutely wrong?
Technically you have a kidnapping not a lynching. Lynching leave more evidence.
Edit: Why am I getting downvoted? Lynchings end in hanging for all to see it’s what defines them. Am I wrong?
Confusing title, I would’ve expected those to happen in a different order