Only semi-related but: The only people I’ve heard say e-bikes aren’t real bikes are people who don’t own bikes of either kind.
My primary mode of transportation is a bike and IMO not all e-bikes are real bikes.
Pedal-assist sure but if there is a throttle (and pedaling is optional) then I consider it a moped.
Not that I’m opposed to mopeds…
That’s true. We don’t have throttle-controlled bikes here because they are legally considered mofas, but mofas with pedals basically don’t exist here so there’s no overlap.
Most of them that say that to me are superhuman athletes.
There’s no ebike with a hundred mile range, and these guys are doing 24 hour races and cross country tours. So after a short while it just becomes a lead weight in the frame.
There are quite a few ebikes with 100+ mile range, you only need maybe 1500-2000Wh to do 100 miles.
Could get longer ranges like that with a battery pack that can be disconnected and swapped, or connect multiple on the bike and switch the cable over when one is low.
Actually seen an electric motorcycle built like that, it can carry 2 batteries if you want a second one but it uses most of your internal storage space.
every time i see e-bike discourse it’s some of the most inane nonsense i’ve ever read, without fail the people who complain about e-bikes are doing the exact same thing drivers do to cyclists as a whole and somehow they are incapable of self-reflection to realize this.
small electric vehicles are good, being a dick to others on the streets is bad, it’s not fucking rocket science. I don’t give a singular fuck what you’re riding in the bike path so long as it’s small enough, quiet enough, and you go a reasonable speed.
Here in sweden it’s become quite normal to have small electric moped cars (yes that’s how we define them) use the wider bike paths when convenient and like… it’s a slight annoyance at worst, because they’re work vehicles and the drivers know they’re being a bit cheeky by using the bike path and thus they try very hard to be considerate.
This is the most well balanced ebike comment I’ve ever read. You should join my community Facebook trails page, as it’s the most unhinged nonsense you’ve ever read. Ebikes have done everything from molesting and physically assaulting these poor people, to completely decimating their trails and their mental well being. Won’t somebody think of all their hard work!!? (Which PS none of them would even know what a shovel feels like in a hand)
What’s the point arguing what’s “real” cycling.
Are people out and about on a bike? Are they having fun? Are they avoiding driving heavy vehicles?
Then who cares.
I used to be a gate keeping manual bike snob, but within a matter of weeks of getting an electric cargo bike I was converted to an eBike evangelist. They are just great sub-type of bike making cycling more accessible and easier to replace a car (at least in Northern Europe). Big fan… but of course I do still love getting silly on an all carbon racer!
Depends on the context. There are scenarios that exist outside of just fun.
I have an ebike with both pedal assist and throttle (that I could theoretically change the speed limiter setting above 35km/h). But in day to day riding, I frequently get passed by people riding thinner wheeled road bikes.
I don’t want to have to shower every time after pedaling to work. I love being able to get two big bags of Costco groceries, strap them to my bike and not have to dread the ride home which is uphill. It’s great and sure I’m not getting tons of exercise each time, it allows me to keep going out with it a lot more than I would a normal bike. This source also corroborates the trend that e-bike riders get more exercise than conventional cyclists due to riding more.
I don’t want to have to shower every time after pedaling to work.
This is a huge advantage that removes one of the major barriers to cycling.
I love being able to get two big bags of Costco groceries, strap them to my bike and not have to dread the ride home which is uphill.
Another huge advantage!
It’s great and sure I’m not getting tons of exercise each time, it allows me to keep going out with it a lot more than I would a normal bike. This source also corroborates the trend that e-bike riders get more exercise than conventional cyclists due to riding more.
Yes, you’re still getting benefits. Anything that gets you out of a car will benefit your health!
I’m not at the point where an e-bike would provide me with overwhelming benefits (over my regular bikes and e-scooter), but I’m sure I’ll get to the point where they’ll make sense for my needs.
This is a huge advantage that removes one of the major barriers to cycling.
Nah man, where I live you will be sweating buckets after standing in place outside for 3 minutes.
But there’s a difference between being the only one who’s sweaty because you took your bike, and everyone is sweaty because it’s hot and humid no matter what you take 😂
Not hot and sweaty if I take my car :)
Yeah, but then you’ll arrive at your destination angry and will still need to find time to get some activities in. 🤭
Nope.
Not on mopeds where all you have to do is pull the throttle. Don’t kid yourself.
I mean sure but my comment is not about mopeds, it’s about e-bikes. I could in theory use my bike like one, since it has a throttle, but relying only on that would mean I get less than 1/3 of the usual range, so I don’t. I do use the throttle to keep my speed consistent (especially around impatient motorists), get over the first hard pedal cycle at a stop, and on hills as I pedal.
The article is talking about users like you unfortunately, conflating e-bikes and mopeds.
If it has a throttle, it’s a moped by definition of EU law. I’m just highlighting, that yes, the paper does mention pedal assist, but elektrek is a website with an agenda (selling more electric bikes and cars) and while they highlight pedal assists vs throttle on their article as well somewhere between the lines, the headline is clearly meant to catch people thinking they are good by riding a throttle “ebike” in North America.
If you need a throttle to start from a stop then you are either in the wrong gear, or your bike is too heavy.
It’s a 50lbs (23kg) foldable bike. It’s only a need to the extent I’m trying not to be sweaty getting to work. Stopping and starting will get me sweaty on a normal pedal assist since it doesn’t immediately kick in.
you definitely still get more exercise on a moped, because you’re not just sitting reclined in a sofa on wheels. on 2-wheeled vehicles your body is always undergoing some amount of motion even if it’s very minimal, it’s like how just standing still is way better than sitting down.
And if a vehicle has pedals you’re most likely going to be spinning them even if there’s no actual resistance, which is in itself genuinely proper exercise.
They’re real and they’re spectacular
Ebikes are so insanely good for hauling groceries and city activities, even with a radius in the dozens of miles.
If you told me to bike up an 18% grade hill loaded down with 1-2 bags of heavy groceries, including stuff like milk, I would have told you I had to drive before I got my ebike, haha. I’ve put over 1,500 miles on my ebikes in under a year of ownership!
It is stupidly good at carrying stuff around. And it makes finding parking super easy, even at very popular areas such as beaches or pools.
I have a city ebike for errands, friends, and exploring, and a traditional mountain bike for downhill and singletrack. Both are so fun and really explore the breadth of what bikes can do.
Ebikes are mopeds, or basically tiny motorcycles.
I see inexperienced riders get on these things with just light bike helmets (or no helmet) & tear down the street at dangerous speeds.
I think ebikes are good, but they need to be treated as motorized vehicles, because they are.
EDIT: yeah this article is written by an experienced cyclist who just skips right over the danger of n00bs ripping down the road @ 20 mph.
Also the idea ebikes aren’t mopeds because they lack a throttle is semantics horseshit.
Give me a hill and I can get most regular bikes to over 20mph. My road bike gets to faster than my ebike given enough of a hill (tires are likely the difference here). In live in Iowa - and area with a well earned reputation of being flat, and I can still find the above hills, I suspect most inexperienced cyclists live with more hills and so will have less issues than me getting “high” speeds.
We need to make cycling gear safe for regular bikes, and it will automatically cover ebikes.
Yes, you can go very fast on hills riding traditional bikes, which is why hills are dangerous & most cyclists handle them carefully.
Ebikes can cruise @ relatively high speeds even on flat ground.
I honestly think most folks haven’t had a cycling accident since they were very young & don’t realize how brutal they are as adults.
EDIT: Just as an aside, people that ride those motorized single wheel things are friggin nuts! Imagine crashing on one of those goddamn!
My Tern S20 is an ebike, and is most certainly not a moped. Part of the problem is that we’re lumping all varieties of ebike into a single category, when we should be breaking them out into classes based on capability.
This sounds wrong. Most regular bikes can go faster than E-Bikes even on flat ground but at least here in Germany most E-Bikes I’ve seen are limited to 25kph which is slower than the 20mph you mentioned. Currently i wish i had one because I’m recovering from a sickness and don’t want to get on my regular bike for my work route as to not damage my heart, so now I’m stuck with the train
Honestly, even light electric motorcycles are a huge improvement over cars. My ebike-from-a-kit goes about 30mph and runs off a throttle. I generally ride on the road (city streets) and avoid sidewalks when at all possible. It’s fun to ride, doesn’t need gas, and is super-efficent when it comes to electricity (far more efficient than an electric car). I can park it way more easily than I can park a car, and it’s great for short trips where taking the car is unjustified but it’s too far to easily walk. 10/10 would recommend. Would also do whatever training/registering/licensing is required, but right now I live somewhere where regulations either don’t exist or exist but aren’t enforced.
even light electric cars are a huge improvement, a light electric motorcycle is an improvement so tremendous that it’s difficult to comprehend, and actual e-bikes? transcendent.
What does “real” even mean in this context? Is the alternative that they’re counterfeits?
Look up “no true Scotsman” and you’ll understand.
