Such a disgrace for our country, its news like these where Luxemburg’s “socialism or barbarism” is really obvious
Hard agree!
From what I read online, it seems that they may have partaken in criminal offenses (read something about storming a building with improvised weapons), but deporting someone before their trial is due and they have been convicted, is not how it should work in a supposedly-civilised country!
Exactly. IMHO they should not be deported at all, but brought before a judge and, if breaking of law is confirmed, put into jail like any other person, deporting someone to a place where they get starved, shot or lynched should not be permitted in a civilized nation, but deported without a trial? This is just plainy not a fair democracy in any kind of sense, not even a rightwing one. This is Willkür
deporting someone to a place where they get starved, shot or lynched should not be permitted in a civilized nation
You’re talking about the one American student who might get his student visa revoked? Because the other three are EU citizens and would only be banned from entering Germany (still a very harsh punishment and I don’t think justifiable, especially without actual conviction). So they could still freely move in the rest of the Schengen Zone if I understood correctly.
I was talking more in general about turning to the American playbook, deporting Gaza protesters who are often are from precarious countries not strictly theese concrete 4. But deporting a trans person to proto-facist america is also not that nice. We also just deported a left protester to right extremist/ proto-facist Hungary and although a court literally ruled she can not be deported because she will face inhumane prison conditions and psychological torture, the Ausländerbehörde pulled through with it before the court could reached this decision.
Wow I just looked up the case of the Hungarian protestor, Maja T.. That’s almost exactly the same stuff that’s been happening in America lately. Despicable jow my country is failing in these areas, again…
Jap, this is the case i was referring to, thanks for adding a source
It is utterly shameful for Germany to be doing shit like this. Disgraceful.
“awww shit here we go again”
(For those who don’t know, the Nazis got their ideas from the US right wing)
Soft Paywall.
Is this protestors who are on tourist, student and temporary visas?
EDIT: They are not citizens. Paywall bypass..
I don’t think it is that simple. If we allow these people free speech then we risk setting a precedent for outsiders coming to Germany to support Far-Right rallies. Laws are double-edged.
When I travel to Asian countries I am warned in my Visa application to not participate in any political activity. I take risks anyhow but have been lucky.
So we better repress all political activism because it might be far right? The far right would applaud this concept and wouldn’t need outside supporters if you fight for their cause.
EDIT: Also most palestinians living here can’t become a permant resident because they would need certification from their state but Germany doesn’t recognize their state as one.
Protests by non-citizens is what I wrote.
Yeah and thats what i meant.
I didnt assume you want to prevent ALL protest. This would be literally one of the worst dictatorships in existens, few of them actually forbid all and every protest.
Trying to exclude people without papers from democracy while not giving those people a fair chance to get papers is still the closest thing to racial segregation the international court allows
Oh wait, international law art.20 Nr. 1 actually sets protests as a universal human right.
Which international law is that?
Do you mean the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.
Article 20 says:
1. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.
2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.
Universal declaration of human rights:
"Article 20
Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association. "
This in combination with art. 19 gives us the right to protest:
"Article 19
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
"
Source: https://www.ohchr.org/en/human-rights/universal-declaration/translations/english
TIL “US constitution guarantees the right to free speech to everyone in the US despite your citizen status” https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/0415/1507664-j1-activism/
Not that the constitution matters to MAGA.
Does Germany have a similar section of their constitution?
It does, but with a similar Problem as the US one: it garuantees freedom of speech and freedom of assembly, but only to CITIZENS. Cause what does a politician care about people who can’t vote for him anyway -.-
Thanks
Help a tired brain out. Are you making the stupid argument that pro-Palestine advocacy is incitement to discrimination and hatred and war propaganda for Hamas?
That was article 20. The other commenter said article 20 but didn’t say which international law.
First they came for…
“we should adopt far right laws before the far right has the chance to do so”
Study material: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
what is being argued about here is forbidding protests by non citizens no matter their political stance. it has nothing to do with the tolerance paradox
Ah, whoops. I block JS and didn’t notice that. Here’s an archive. I did a quick search and didn’t see any articles that mention what kind of visas they have.
