• Wimster ( Wimster@lemmy.wtf ) 
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    1 year ago

    It’s hypocrit. They don’t want to be in the EU because they are “so called neutral”, but now the suddenly are using the EU logo because it suits them. Don’t get me wrong: I would like to have SUI into the EU, but then they have to go for the full package and not illegaly clame they are EU, while the’re not.

    • Skunk ( Skunk@jlai.lu ) 
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      1 year ago

      Except that we won’t, not in several decades.

      Besides population refusal (every thing country side votes no), there’s not even a start of a political will to do it. Being well integrated and friendly in the middle but not member seems to be enough for everyone.

      And on the political side we still have old Swiss-German fucks pushing for non EU stuff. The best example is the F-35. France with the excellent Rafale 4.5 gave us access to their military airspace, their supersonic range that crosses the country towards the Atlantic, airbases, full integration into the FAF training, overall they would been best mate and neighbour. Hell, they would have even authorized some carrier action around the CDG after a while if Swiss pilots proved themselves capable.

      But they chose the F-35 and just a few days ago they again said that F-35 is the better aircraft, that prices won’t be crazy and that we won’t get fucked by the US. Like seriously 🤦🏻

      The good thing is that we can always organize a vote to force their hand (which will probably happen) but it takes some time and effort. But even if we manage to make them switch side there’s a huge chance that France won’t be as friendly this time, with a good reason.

      A vote for EU will end up the same tho, a majority of “oui” losing in front of a bigger majority of “nein”.

        • Skunk ( Skunk@jlai.lu ) 
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          Yes, citizens are happy like that, we are in Schengen + various commercial agreements and that seems to be enough.

          They fear the EU obligations and want to stay independent.

          Plus the population language division that is always the same, western French speaking Switzerland tends to vote green and yes to EU or whatever. Eastern German speaking votes the opposite. The Italian part usually votes like the French part but it’s almost as they are inexistant and they remain hidden in their sunny corner to avoid being annoyed.

          A very usual vote result looks like that:

          (French part = Oui, Italian part = Si, German cities = Ja, German country side = Nein. If you zoom in you can find green spots in the ocean of red, those are often the cities like Zurich, Bern etc. The red spots in the green part are often rich peoples areas, like on the right side of Geneva where you have those multi million lakeside houses that votes very right to stay rich)

          On the political side there’s not really a anti-EU atmosphere, more like a remain neutral one. As always the right wants no changes and the left is pushing for them. Politics doesn’t have a huge power in Switzerland anyway, they work for us and not the other way around.