When will the liberal party pass the electoral reform they were elected to pass?
Thats the fun part, they never do. Then we Anarchists get blamed for not voting hard enough
how come no one remembers that WE had a referendum for voting reform and WE voted it down? everyone keeps blaming the liberals when it was the dumb ass population who fucked that up.
Its a stretch but I’m hoping with a liberal minority there is chance the NDP could advocate for electoral reform as negotiation point. Its a stretch but I feel like its the only way it could happen.
I’m Indigenous and I have family and friends who live throughout the north.
I couldn’t believe the recent Ontario election for the representative for Mushkegowuk-James Bay … the NDP candidate won it by 9 votes
And I have a ton of people in all those northern communities who all don’t vote because none of them believe that it is worth it because they are Native.
Please show them these margins. it’s crazy to me how small the number of votes are per riding and really puts everything into perspective
I’m in a riding that is consistently held by the conservatives, and not by a small amount. There are something like 40-50k votes cast in my riding and the difference between lib and conservative was about 6k.
I still go out and vote, because some day the 6k difference might be 12 individual votes…
If the conservatives win by a handful of votes, and I didn’t vote, I don’t think I could forgive myself.
I heard that there were some communities where voting closed super early. Under circumstances like that, I can sympathise with people who feel that there’s no point in voting; there were people who went out to vote but weren’t able to, and that must be so demoralising
If somebody tells you voting is pointless, they are voting for somebody you wouldn’t vote for.
I don’t really think that’s the case. If you live in an exceptionally partisan area then there’s little impact to voting.
That depends on your voting system.
Right, but this is a Canadian community about the recent Canadian election. The voting system is assumed.
In my riding, if you only had the option of liberal or conservative and a 100% turnout we would still have elected the same blue brick for the 4th time.
Usually this just means I get to vote for whatever party I like the platform enough of/like the leader.
I mean we’ve got the same system in the UK tbh.
It’s shite, and most of the time you can get a donkey in power if you stick the right colour rosette on it, but last election we did see seats change power that had been held for a century.
I’m not really prepared to shoot anybody to get change. Voting is all we’ve got.
Casting a vote is as effective at achieving political objectives as using Purell a couple times a week is at eradicating COVID.
Voting isnt pointless, it’s just not nearly enough.
Yeah, so the Conservatives won with like 80% in my riding. I voted, but I also wondered why while doing it. Man, I wish we had proportional rep.
In your riding? Is canada just larping yorkshire?
I mean, at least York is.
We also call the Conservatives Tories, and if you do crimes you get charged by the Crown.
TIL. Glad to see at least one canadian has some sense of humor.
Yikes, I see what you mean. Lemmy is feeling touchy today.
Those anarchists, tankies, fascists and authoritarians who claim this are just trying to sabotage democracy.
Or it’s people who feel disenfranchised.
Not voting makes it easier for politicians to ignore them.
If they feel disenfranchised, they are probably already ignored.
That’s a self fulfilling prophecy.
anarchists, tankies, fascists and authoritarians
Spot the odd one out!
I’ve definitely seen anarchists describe frustration with electoral politics, especially when people limit their political engagement to simply voting once every so many years. However, I’ve never seen one advocate against voting.
Anarchists are generally aware that, despite elections not being the thing that will overthrow the bourgeoisie, some parties result in less suffering for oppressed peoples than others.
Libs will do anything they can to avoid understanding anti-electoralism
There’s a long history of anarchists who oppose voting
https://libcom.org/article/why-anarchists-dont-vote-elisee-reclus
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/aotearoa-workers-solidarity-movement-why-we-don-t-vote
https://apps.lib.umich.edu/online-exhibits/exhibits/show/debatedemocracy/anarchism---anti-voting
I live in Illinois. If somehow the heavens and earth move such that Illinois turned red, then there would be absolutely zero chance it would be the tipping point in the presidential election. The vast majority of people in the US live in safe states.
And for the record, I do vote in down-ballot races, the ones that actually matter, but none of you care because it’s all about genuflecting before the leader of the blue tribe. Which, frankly, just gives me more reason to refuse to.
“Democracy” doesn’t need our help to be sabotaged, it’s falling apart on it’s own. Every time someone says that the voters have to change en masse to meet the policies of politicians rather than politicians having to respond to what their constituents want, they are the ones taking the axe to democracy. Why the hell would anyone care about upholding or defending a system that we have no say in? Somehow, insisting on popular demands and trying to turn the will of the people into policies that protect the rights of the vulnerable gets translated into “trying to sabotage democracy” equating Anarchists and Marxists alike with fascists.
Congratulations on four more years of a milktoast centrist liberal, is he going to acturally fix the problems? Or is he going to be like Biden and make the big talk of peace and prosperity while sending weapons to fund genocide?
Unlike his Conservative opponent, Carney has a resume of fixing problems more than talking. He has done a lot of talking during the campaign, as one should to get elected, now Canadians have a part in holding him to account as PM.
What has he done? All I know about the Canadian Liberals is that like the American liberals they have a long history of promises and a short history of keeping them.
His headline accomplishments are leading the Bank of Canada as governor, keeping Canada out of the worst of the 08 recession, then helped ease the fall of UK’s economy post-Brexit, then in his short 1st term as Prime Minister taking over from Trudeau, he managed to shut Trump up about the 51st state stuff for nearly a month, after just one call.
FYI the word you’re so desperate to use is milquetoast, not milktoast.
Any time someone claims “my one vote doesn’t matter” I reply with this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_close_election_results
Yes, there are a lot of elections that are decided by a very small number of votes.
As the saying goes: “The only wasted vote is the one left uncast.”
And I’ll reply with this which is .uch more likely. https://globalnews.ca/news/11130642/canada-election-2025-results-leduc-wetaskiwin/
Canada out there making us feel jealous with their “multiple parties” and “meaningful votes”
I’m worried our multiple parties could disappear after this election :( I understand why it happened but I hope the trend doesn’t continue to a two party liberal vs conservative system in Canada
The Bloc isn’t going anywhere and the NDP will likely gain seats back next election with a fresh leader, especially if they pick a charismatic one.
Ya I don’t think it will. Also remember we started with a two-party system. Political parties come and go.
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I mean I voted but I live in Alberta and don’t live in Calgary or Edmonton. Tell me my vote mattered.
Here’s a link to the results https://globalnews.ca/news/11130642/canada-election-2025-results-leduc-wetaskiwin/
If you voted, it mattered
“Oh wow, a statistical golden goose! Welp, that fully justifies my beliefs surrounding this. Looks guys, this one time, voting mattered! That means it always matters! And anyone who tells you otherwise is a bad person! Shame!”
I didn’t vote for Harris or Trump
My county still went blue by thousands
My state still went red by tens of thousands
Me protest voting didn’t matter.
My vote didn’t matter.
If you’re in a fucked up country with first past the post ballot counting, I can see where you’re coming from. The #1 thing people in Canada or the USA should be fighting for is electoral reform.
35 difference in Terrebonne riding in QC, Liberals won.
Yeah, there were a lot of close ones this time.
