As a lithuanian: woo! Yeah! That’s what we’re talking about, that’s what it’s all about! Woo! 🇱🇹🇱🇹🇱🇹
I dunno chat, as a Lithuanian (as if it matters) this feels like a bit of an over reach in a war on terror in US type of way. This isn’t the only law that explicitly targets Russians/Belarussians as a security threat that has been enacted.
These people are often just nationals, citizens of their country and not automatically foreign agents. If they were here doing espionage, they would report back using encrypted channels on the internet which is much cheaper than traveling back and forth. If they were smuggling tools for terrorism like bombs, it’s much easier to smuggle them over the border or even obtain them locally than having the foreign agent themselves smuggle.
I can’t help but view it as discriminatory in a similar way how Muslim and Arab populations were treated post-9/11, it just doesn’t make much sense unless I’m missing something.
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Ah yes. The country with a main channel having a programme that openly discusses nuking countries. With Meidviedev openly calling for annexation of baltic states. Beliteling other countries.
Country that occupied a lot of Europe and denied independence
Country that invaded Georgia.
Country that annexed Crimea.
Country that genocides Ukraine.
Russophobia came out of nowhere.
russia. The country that did nothing wrong.
Pretty much, Russia has definitely earned the reputation even back when it was being “socialist” - it’s an imperialist hellhole, one that also meddles in today’s politics by funding far-right parties like AfD.
Though, I personally take issue when the russophobia doesn’t stop at targeting the state and its ruling class who made these decisions, but to the Russian working class as well, all of whom are getting exploited in the standard capitalist fashion but also a section being conscripted to kill and die for their ruling class benefit and their imperialist interests. That’s why it doesn’t feel right to me when a country targets Russian nationals with discriminatory laws in a fashion that’s not too different from 9/11’s treatment of Arab people that most of us can agree was wrong.
@Commiunism @el_bhm
“That’s why it doesn’t feel right to me when a country targets Russian nationals”.
But what else can we do? Examine people’s minds? Monitor every move they make, like China does to it’s people?
It’s not just the ruling class: Russia is specific targeting ordinairy Russian speaking people to forward their goals. Also elderly people will not be able to learn any other language than their native Russian. Being harsh on them will only give Putin a propaganda opportunity.
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Thank you for going mask off so we can all block you 🙃
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russia is a nazi state.
Much cheaper, but not more secure.
Excluding that, if my country had started a territorial way of aggression, and I was now living in a country that’s been threatened by said country in the recent past as well, I wouldn’t be traveling back, let alone often.
Combined with actual continual examples of Russians not only spying but carrying out assassinations in foreign countries (like the UK) and sabotaging infrastructure almost every month, and if anything, this is pretty light retaliation.
You personally wouldn’t travel back and forth, but this doesn’t necessarily apply to everyone - there were and still are a decent amount of Russian nationals working/living here with their families, distant or otherwise, still living back home in Russia/Belarus. No matter your nationality, you might want to go back to your home country and visit your family. What if there’s an emergency/funeral you have to attend after visiting? It might not be a valid reason to go back (given how vague the articles are), and you might lose your residence because of it. It’s only one example of course, but there definitely are more scenarios like this one.
Also, reading one of the news articles, counter-terrorism prevention isn’t even mentioned once, and it wouldn’t make sense given how I already outlined how it would be easier to get tools for terrorism locally, much safely too given how you don’t have to go through security that scrutinizes you more due to war-time, not to mention it doesn’t prevent terrorism from foreign agents who don’t own a residence here. If anything, the article mentions how these methods are there to further sanction Russia, to show solidarity to Ukraine and “limit specific Russian/Belarusian citizen rights”.
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You need 10 years of residence before you can apply, and from what I hear from friends it’s not a sure thing. So you may be stuck living as a resident for much longer than that.
Is it fair to not being able to go see your relatives for years/decade+? I’d pay that price for getting out of russia (well I already am paying it, albeit not to Lithuania) doesn’t make it right tho.
But then again, as long as ru/br immigrants are still able to enter, live and obtain citizenship, can’t really be mad at the baltics they’re in a tough position.
Is it fair to not being able to go see your relatives for years/decade+?
The article says no more then once every three months, how is this years/decades ?
I’d be more worried about being detained on the Russian side.
Fair on both counts.
I would not risk travelling to russia as a resident of its neighbor, both because russia can send you to jail/trench, and because your residency can be easily revoked/not extended. Permanently living somewhere as a non-citizen is a vulnerable position, and getting a citizenship is often outside your control.
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Same. I’m in western europe, I have a couple friends who are Russian and oppose the invasion.
The male ones haven’t gone back to see their family because they fear conscription.
Those who can go back to see family are super cautious and scared because they don’t wanna be sent to gulag.
It’d be a shame if they got another barrier to going home they had to worry about.
Cartoon villain shit
Russia fucking with the whole world out of an inferiority complex fuelled envy? Then yes.
Does taking out your anger on random civilians help?
As of May 3, citizens travelling back to Russia and Belarus must have documented a valid reason for additional trips within the three month timeframe.
“Well you shouldve thought of your cousins wedding before going to your nephews birthday”
Like imagine being able to visit your own country 4 times a year and every other visit can be denied by some disgruntled bureaucrat who doesn’t think visiting a wedding is a valid reason.
Genuinely how does this help anyone except just hurt russians. Reeks of russophobic “cruelty is the point”.
If they want to visit all those exciting events in “their own country”, they might as well move back there. Surely the cost of living in Russia will be lower than in EU. Unless they don’t actually want to live in Russia, they just want to love it from afar.
Imagine living in a neighboring country for work but not being able to take your kid to see their grandparents more than 4 times a year.
Or marrying a foreign national and living with them or any of the myriad of other reasons that makes someone move to another country. But your limited imaginination can only come up with one scenario and therefore it must be the only reason for why a (bela-)russian might not live in their home counrty.
Go back to where you came from if you like it so much
a european liberal
Sounds like the answer to all of them is the same as the guy you’re replying to mentioned: they move back to Russia, or stay in Lithuania. Choose and commit. Sorry that you’re losing out, but Lithuania doesn’t owe you anything.
If my country started fucking with a neighbour, I wouldn’t blame them for pushing against it. Also seems like plenty of Americans who are against Trump seem to be all for other countries countering.
So abandon your work, force your lithuanian spouse to move, uproot your kids or see your extended family almost never again. Sorry you’re losing out bud sucks for you I guess, not Lithuanias problem though we just make the laws forcing you to choose.
Also seems like plenty of Americans who are against Trump seem to be all for other countries countering.
Plenty of Americans against Trump are still not opposed to the genocide in Gaza. There’s a significant portion of Against Trumpers who were on board with the Iraq invasion, Liz Cheney comes to mind for instance. Here’s a protip: If the americans want you to fight a war its not because they care for you…
edit: still waiting on a reason for how this helps lithuania even if there were a national security threat
Yes, unironically.
If you think you should be allowed as a russian to live in a country russia is engaging in psyops, social destabilization, and some cases even open warfare against, you should be fucking forced to decide. Do you want to stay where you are and have been welcomed despite all your country’s bullshit then do so and blame your relatives at home because they don’t make it stop. Blame yourself as well because you dodged that bullet for a good life elsewhere.
All more logical and reasonable than to expect your host country to roll over and take it for your convenience, especially when most of the russians living elsewhere are just as indoctrinated as those at home and are often willing assets for the russian hybrid campaigns, espionage and sanction evasions. No victim nation of russian aggression can be faulted for trying to protect themselves from a new kind of warfare.
Yes, actually. Believe it or not, every Russian and Ukrainian had to make that choice already, and WITHOUT the 1 in 3 months visit option. This is a pretty small problem by comparison. Also, nitpick, but doesn’t a couple eventually move into one place anyway?
Plenty of Russians are still not opposed to the war with Ukraine. I suppose we’re at a standstill, then.
As for pros of doing so, the article says it, potential sabotage. We already have had troubles at the Poland/Belarus border for years, so this seems fair to me. Could also be specifically preventing Russians working in Lithuania and then heading back to take advantage of/boosting Russian economy.
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Oh, so we’re going straight to insults to my mental state, huh. I wonder why your unlimited imagination still struggles to understand why it might not be a good idea to visit a country at war often. Especially a country that’s broken every truce that it ever promised to uphold and still aims to expand its territory to former imperial ambitions.
And here I was thinking I shouldn’t judge one account just because they have a hexbear alt.
It was the Banderites who broke the Minsk accords.
And the US who unilaterally ended the missile treaties.I guess that makes Putin a Banderite then
as if you started with a civil and restrained tone lmao
I wonder why your unlimited imagination still struggles to understand why it might not be a good idea to visit a country at war often. Especially a country that’s broken every truce that it ever promised to uphold and still aims to expand its territory to former imperial ambitions.
I assume visiting the US or Israel is still a-ok though?
And here I was thinking I shouldn’t judge one account just because they have a hexbear alt.
I keep forgetting hexbear is (used to be?) an alt and that I was saying the same shit like you all… How time flies 🤷
I assume visiting the US or Israel is still a-ok though?
No, no it’s not. Though you do like to assume a lot, it seems
Western ‘values’
Have you considered complaining about Russia ruining international relations with their neighbors, which has led to this situation? It’s not like those countries have a fundamental hatred of Russia. They would love it if Russia could be a normal ally because it would be immensely beneficial. It’s Russia who can’t be a fucking normal ally. It’s not Lithuania who is building spy networks in Russia or bribing corrupt officials, it’s Russia doing those things to Lithuania. And not just Lithuania, it’s all Baltic states and Poland and Russian money goes even deeper into Europe.
It sucks for Russians that Lithuania has done this but it’s ultimately Russia’s own fault Lithuania had to do this. If there’s anyone you or Russians should blame, it’s Russia. You can’t just push countries around and expect them to not do anything about it.
Fuck off and go live in your shit-fest if you dont like it.
Nice bait
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“Bunch of fascists”
How so?
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