https://feddit.org/post/13994826/7165181
Everything I downvoted was because I genuinely do not think it’s good. Like meat is not going to cure cancer.
I actually really like eating meat I just try to life a life that gives others room to enjoy this earth too without mutually destroying it.
Please tell me how I am the asshole :)
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That is objectively funny😂
You win the interwebs today!
Context for the cancer thing. Btw I did not downvote everything but that should not matter
Seems like someone’s salty about their post being at -11 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I don’t think YDI or anything but just block the community and move on with your life…
I am pretty sure the carnivore community is just a big troll. Maybe it is some confused people, but it seems on Lemmy more likely to just be people taking the piss out of vegans.
But not like in a cheeky and fun way, more cruel and tragic
At this time and age you can expect anything to be serious. Like biden being cloned
They say that about every fash. It’s just a joke!
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fr, like go back to Facebook where there are no downvotes, maybe the fediverse isn’t a good fit for you
We need to stop normalizing banning people for how they vote.
Here’s the problem though. I’ve been a victim of downvote brigades. It usually starts with someone downvoting every single post in one of my communities. Fine, maybe they don’t like my politics. But then it spreads. They start hitting every community I run, even the non-political ones, and downvote everything I post. Eventually, they downvote every single post I make anywhere, just because it’s me.
Some people genuinely get joy out of doing that. They don’t read the post or care about the content. They just see a name they don’t like and hit downvote.
I’m not making this up. I saw it happen over and over. That’s why banning users based solely on voting behavior became a feature. It was needed.
So I started banning people who only showed up to downvote and never contributed. Once I did that, they stopped bothering those communities. They knew they couldn’t mess with me anymore.
Since then, serial downvoting has dropped across the Fediverse. People figured out they could get banned for it.
It wasn’t about disagreeing with information. It was about targeting people. I’m not saying OP did that, but that’s the pattern I’ve seen.
I personally would like to see votes be eliminated for the entire fediverse so the vote manipulators have no way to try to shape narratives.
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I think you’re making it out to be a bigger deal than it actually is.
Well, the developers did make it a feature to be able to ban based on voting.
We didn’t always have that feature, it’s relatively new. So I guess there were enough people asking for it that it became a thing. Also, you yourself mentioned that you were troubled at seeing the “normalization” of the practice, so obviously there are enough people seeing it as an issue that you have noticed it.
Also, you put too much value into the meaning of votes.
Again, I’d love if Lemmy got rid of the option to upvote/downvote. And just for background, I once had a guy who would take screen shots of how many dowvotes I had on my posts, then post that screenshot, and laugh about it and use that to argue to others that they should just bully me off of Lemmy. I won’t say his name here, but he still mentions my name a lot. lol
Learn to deal with criticism.
There’s criticism, and then there’s the weird stalker types that seem to be on Lemmy that become serial downvoters. There are even some that create downvoting bots. Yeah, bots just to downvote. That has also been an issue that admin had to work on.
No voting at all, would solve it though!
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Yeah, we need to make sure people like you and ideas like yours infest as few communities as possible.
That sounds like the very censorship you seem to be arguing against though.
I’m going to ignore you now.
Of course, you’re free to ignore me. That is the right attitude! I would prefer people “ignore” and “block” rather than become serial downvoters.
Thanks, friend! :)
You would like to get rid of votes? The one thing that differentiated Reddit and now Lemmy? Why are you not using Facebook or Discord or any other platforms focused on positive community building?
And no I did not target this person. As I have explained I scrolled hot and Lemmy doesn’t have enough content yet to idk “drown out the noise”
If you think downvotes are the one thing that differentiate Lemmy, you’re an idiot.
Yes, I would like to get rid of votes. Because people weaponize them, and people like you take advantage of them. If you don’t agree with a community, just block it and move on. You don’t need to go in and just do a long stream of downvoting.
In a perfect world, voting works. But lemmy seems to draw a crowd that seems to harbor more obsessive types who can’t let something go.
Brah, you don’t even like the community you’re mad about! lol But you seem mad that now you aren’t allowed to downvote there anymore.
The mod even gave you a chance to be unbanned, and you decided not to take him up on it. You brought it here to see opinions, and most of the opinions are that you are in the wrong. It is what it is.
We are focused on health and lifestyle while trying to eat zero carb bioavailable foods.
LOL what a joke, my ancestors lived on a diet of almost all bison, but they still needed other foods like nuts and berries and grains. They ate pemmican more then they ate fresh meat. The thing is that once they had to transition to domesticated animals like cows and pigs, the general health went downhill fast. All red meat is not the same.
Eating a lot of meat is not good for you, science has proven this time and time again. The only reason my ancestors were able to live on a full diet of bison is because they ate the whole freakin animal and perserved the meat with berries and nuts (pemmican)
LOL what a joke, my ancestors lived on a diet of almost all bison
I highly doubt this. Meat in prehistoric societies was pretty hard to come by. When you exist on the same plane as the animals, you’re subject to all the stuff they plan to do to make sure they’re not going to get eaten. It’s a hell of a lot easier and safer just to grow some plants or do some fishing or something.
I won’t say it never happened that someone’s ancestor’s society was just killing it and eating bison burgers all the time but the diet where you can eat large animal meat is almost entirely a modern invention caused by our overflow of wealth and productivity.
Eating a lot of meat is not good for you, science has proven this time and time again.
Eating a lot of meat in the modern day will straight-up kill you in the long run (literally), because the meat is full of hormones, pesticides, antibiotics, disease from the conditions they were kept in, and God knows what else. Societies in the ancient world that sorted out how to eat meat consistently (one prime example being domesticating cattle successfully) started exploding across the landscape and overtaking all their neighbors, it’s a pretty good formula as long as the meat is healthy for you.
Have you looked up Inuit? Not much else besides meat and fish…
Brah, it’s bad form to just go into a community and start downvoting every single article you see. YDI.
I’m seeing more and more Lemmys doing that to try to control their narrative. Not cool.
But what if you read each article, find it’s a pile of shit, then downvote it?
Why do you keep sticking around and reading shit you don’t like? And for most, you can tell by the title if it’s gonna be something you are interesting in reading.
How about you read it, think to yourself, “that fucking sucks” and move on. Why do you have to rate it with a vote? Why are you trying to let people know you didn’t like it?
Well idk it’s a totally wild and completely stupid scenario, but there’s scientific article that looks interesting which pops up on All, then you read it and realise it does not hold up so you downvote. Then you look at the community and see a horrible post saying meat cures cancer and you downvote that and then when you try to comment on another interesting one, you’re banned. Based on a true story.
Then move on. Seems like that community wouldn’t be a good fit for you anyway, so no loss. Basically you are missing out on reading articles that annoy you. Wear the ban as a badge of honor, not shame.
I’ve been banned–and I am not even kidding or exaggerating–for “it’s Universal Monk!” Yes, banned because of my fucking reputation. Not because of anything I did in the community, never posted article, commented or even voted. Many communities I’ve never even heard of. But I’ve seen reasons of “UM,” “Troll Universal Monk”, etc.
And you know what horrible horrible thing I did? I proudly voted third party (socialist) in the election. Which is more accepted now, but a few months ago, I was called a traitor daily. Still called that regularly. lol
So yeah, some mods and posters are power-hungry babies. But for the most part if they are like that, then you don’t wanna be part of that community anyway.
I hated Biden (before it was cool to do!). So I stayed out of communities that kissed his ass. I didn’t read articles that kissed is ass. Why would I go to some pro-Biden community if I’m anti-Biden?
I think Furries are fucking crazy. So I don’t go to Furry communities or get upset if I were somehow banned from one.
Why would you go to some pro-meat community, if you are anti-meat? You know every article is going to annoy you. You should have blocked it even before you got banned.
Which is why I’m all for votes being gone entirely. That way none of it matters…because none of it matters. :)
YDI
You went to a community you disagree with and downvoted almost everything that was there. Sounds like probable trolling to me.
I went to the community because a post from it crossed my hot posts page. I did disagree with the post and subsequently checked out the community.
But then you proceed to downvote every post in the community. That’s where you went wrong. You should have realised that you’ll likley disagree with almost anything posted there and should have just blocked it.
You should have realised that you’ll likley disagree with almost anything posted there and should have just blocked it.
And I wish more Lemmy people understood this!
The community in question is entirely dedicated to dangerous medical misinformation, they deserve worse than downvotes
I don’t think I’ll be taking any life advice from someone called the Steak and Butter Gal
I’d probably hit her up for barbecue advice, though.
Definitely, i bet they’d be as delicious as they are life threatening
What is with all the twats purposefully going into communities they don’t agree with just to be asswaffles?
YDI, and quite frankly I applaud the mod for not putting up with your bullshit and shutting you down before you disrupt their community.
YDI, going into a community to downvote everything is toxic behavior and mods have every right to ban you for it. And they probably should, it’s obviously not a good fit for you.
Dangerous medical misinformation should be downvoted, communities dedicated to it should be disbanded
If you think there is dangerous medical misinformation you should report it or message the admins. Downvoting everything just looks like Vote manipulation to regular people because it is, and those mods are going to ban people for it either way. It also doesn’t help make admins aware of it, so for policy violations doing that instead of reporting or messaging admins is as useless as doing nothing at all.
I’ll do both, there’s nothing manipulative about downvoting things I believe deserve a downvote, and it does help minimize their reach
Systematically going through a whole community in attempt to suppress them absolutely is manipulative and you absolutely can be banned for it. If this wasn’t the case and it was believed people are entitled to vote not matter what why do bans stop the ability to vote in communities in the first place.
In the case of a hypothetical community dedicated to medical disinformation, I think the way to go is not mass downvoting but reporting posts/comments and letting admins deal with it. If necessary, admins can go as far as deleting the community. If the community is on a different instance, they can still “delete” it from view on their instance, and ultimately there’s always the “nuclear option” of defederation.
Mass downvoting is generally how one gets banned from a community or instance.
I agree with the idea of reporting the posts and comments, but I still see nothing wrong with also downvoting. Depending on how long mods take to respond/whether or not they respond downvoting may be the only means of impacting the situation, minimizing their reach through all available means is preferable
Unless the mod is straight up lying about you down voting everything in the thread: YTI.
The mod is straight up lying about dietary science in a way that will definitely get someone killed if taken at face value, dangerous misinformation deserves to be downvoted
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Carnivores are simply eating more meat to push back against the progress vegans have made to reduce suffering in this world.
do you know how I know you haven’t read anything jet posts there?
I would agree if you was in a community called nutrition or diet.
If a sub is explicitly dedicate to disinformation, we should just respect that. \s
You can’t convince cults
YDI.
Fash gonna fash.
