No, they are fascist Russians who speak a different language because they hated communism and decided to turn their Russian dialect into a full-blown language.
The Soviets decided to respect the language and cultural differences as long as they denounced their fascism.
Plus “The West” is too vague a term to take seriously.
If you’re from the US, you’re soon going to be familiar with such ‘fascist split-off “nation”’ like the ROC and Ukraine have been.
There won’t be no lie low enough not to continue for them. US fascists will claim that they’re the true USA and later claim that they’ve never been part of the USA in history. Their lies go on and on until kingdom come.
This thread began with the hypothesis that there are no Ukrainians in Ukraine and that all Ukrainians are just fascist Russians elevating a “Dialect” to a language because they hate communism.
To my knowledge, Ukrainian split from old Ruthenian in the 13th and was acknowledged as its own language in the 1840s, way before any communist states arose in Russia or the Ukraine.
Alexander II. even outlawed the language in Ukraine.
So, enlightened person, tell me what part of this is just “librul smorm”.
Hey you want to try that again? I asked you what premise you were asking me to defend after your semi-literate scrawl and you replied with A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TOPIC THAN THE ONE YOU JUST SPOKE TO so I’m wondering if you had to restate would you come up with a third, completely unrelated topic.
You fucking incoherent fascist supporting idiot.
Your brain literally does not work properly. Are you being a dumb piece of shit who can’t argue without putting words in my mouth by pretending I said all Ukrainians are nazis? Or are you being a dumb piece of shit who can’t argue without putting words in my mouth by pretending I said Ukrainian is not a real language?
There are only two options. What kind of stupid piece of shit are you?
Calling another language a “dialect” is really lame if I’m being honest. The Ukrainian and Belarusian languages descended from Rutherian, which split from Russian hundreds of years ago. After centuries of Ukraine being occupied by one foreign power after another the history is all over the place but long story short Ukrainian is as much a dialect of Russian as English is a dialect of Latin.
And as for the Ukrainian identity not being real … if it wasn’t real then Russia wouldn’t be trying to erase it. Ukraine has only been part of Russia for 80 out of the last 800 years. I should not bother arguing with you, I don’t know why I even bother. I’m gonna block you like I do every tankie.
Lol, the differences between Ukrainian and Russian began in the 13th century, when old Ukrainian shifted /g/ to /ɣ/ and then to modern day /ɦ/.
By that logic, Germany should swallow the Netherlands because clearly Dutch and German have the same origins and are just dialects. Hell, if you go back to the 11th century, i.e. the Kievan Rus, a bunch of now distinct languages were much closer to each other.
Ukrainian has a lot more German, Polish and Tartar loanwords than Russian. Southwestern Dialects of Ukrainian are closer to Polish than to Russian. Ukrainian has an 38% difference in Vocabulary to Russian, which is roughly the difference between Italian and Spanish.
Ukrainian also preserved it’s vocative case, which has disappeared from Russian. It possesses 3 different future tenses, opposed to 2 in Russian. These are two different languages
Soviet promotion of the Ukrainian language was not an “appeasement of fascist russians”, it was a reversal of Tsarist oppression. Just up until the 1930s, when the USSR again made a 180 turn on their language policies throughout its territory.
No, they are fascist Russians who speak a different language because they hated communism and decided to turn their Russian dialect into a full-blown language.
The Soviets decided to respect the language and cultural differences as long as they denounced their fascism.
Plus “The West” is too vague a term to take seriously.
If you’re from the US, you’re soon going to be familiar with such ‘fascist split-off “nation”’ like the ROC and Ukraine have been.
There won’t be no lie low enough not to continue for them. US fascists will claim that they’re the true USA and later claim that they’ve never been part of the USA in history. Their lies go on and on until kingdom come.
Yeah, the famous communist hating “Russians” deciding to write in Ukrainian in the 1840s.
Alexander II. banned any publications in Ukrainian. But yeah, totally just fascist Russians lol.
God I’m so fucking tired of idiot liberals who refuse to read history and think their ignorant fucking smarm is the same as knowledge
You are now a liberal if you don’t think every Ukrainian is a fascist.
Literally meaningless when you subtract the dripping attitude. Just a fucking moron making themselves feel smart alone in the shower.
Do you have any arguments for all ukrainians being fascista russians speaking a dialect and not a language or are you just angry?
You can’t even write a coherent sentence and you want me to respond to your incoherent smarmy shit.
What premise are you asking me to defend as if it’s my own opinion?
Brother.
This thread began with the hypothesis that there are no Ukrainians in Ukraine and that all Ukrainians are just fascist Russians elevating a “Dialect” to a language because they hate communism.
To my knowledge, Ukrainian split from old Ruthenian in the 13th and was acknowledged as its own language in the 1840s, way before any communist states arose in Russia or the Ukraine.
Alexander II. even outlawed the language in Ukraine.
So, enlightened person, tell me what part of this is just “librul smorm”.
Hey you want to try that again? I asked you what premise you were asking me to defend after your semi-literate scrawl and you replied with A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TOPIC THAN THE ONE YOU JUST SPOKE TO so I’m wondering if you had to restate would you come up with a third, completely unrelated topic.
You fucking incoherent fascist supporting idiot.
Your brain literally does not work properly. Are you being a dumb piece of shit who can’t argue without putting words in my mouth by pretending I said all Ukrainians are nazis? Or are you being a dumb piece of shit who can’t argue without putting words in my mouth by pretending I said Ukrainian is not a real language?
There are only two options. What kind of stupid piece of shit are you?
answer please
Dialects have names. Go back further and you’ll notice the language starts out in Kiev, same as Russian, in the same era as the same language.
Again, if you live in the US, you’ll have this historical revisionism fun of fascism too soon.
Calling another language a “dialect” is really lame if I’m being honest. The Ukrainian and Belarusian languages descended from Rutherian, which split from Russian hundreds of years ago. After centuries of Ukraine being occupied by one foreign power after another the history is all over the place but long story short Ukrainian is as much a dialect of Russian as English is a dialect of Latin.
And as for the Ukrainian identity not being real … if it wasn’t real then Russia wouldn’t be trying to erase it. Ukraine has only been part of Russia for 80 out of the last 800 years. I should not bother arguing with you, I don’t know why I even bother. I’m gonna block you like I do every tankie.
Lol, the differences between Ukrainian and Russian began in the 13th century, when old Ukrainian shifted /g/ to /ɣ/ and then to modern day /ɦ/. By that logic, Germany should swallow the Netherlands because clearly Dutch and German have the same origins and are just dialects. Hell, if you go back to the 11th century, i.e. the Kievan Rus, a bunch of now distinct languages were much closer to each other.
Ukrainian has a lot more German, Polish and Tartar loanwords than Russian. Southwestern Dialects of Ukrainian are closer to Polish than to Russian. Ukrainian has an 38% difference in Vocabulary to Russian, which is roughly the difference between Italian and Spanish. Ukrainian also preserved it’s vocative case, which has disappeared from Russian. It possesses 3 different future tenses, opposed to 2 in Russian. These are two different languages
Soviet promotion of the Ukrainian language was not an “appeasement of fascist russians”, it was a reversal of Tsarist oppression. Just up until the 1930s, when the USSR again made a 180 turn on their language policies throughout its territory.
The only historical revisionist here is you.
I’m not the one who took down the Catherine the Great statue in Odessa.
The most sacrilegious act: taking down statues.
anyway back to tearing down statues celebrating the defeat of the nazis and putting up statues that celebrate the nazis