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LeninsOvaries ( LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe )  to Flippanarchy@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish · 1 year ago

The left really needs to get more proficient with using AI. The IQ benefits alone are staggering.

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The left really needs to get more proficient with using AI. The IQ benefits alone are staggering.

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LeninsOvaries ( LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe )  to Flippanarchy@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish · 1 year ago
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  • nimpnin ( nimpnin@sopuli.xyz ) 
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    The use of LLM had a measurable impact on participants, and while the benefits were initially apparent, as we demonstrated over the course of 4 months, the LLM group’s participants performed worse than their counterparts in the Brain-only group at all levels: neural, linguistic, scoring.

    https://arxiv.org/pdf/2506.08872

    • wildncrazyguy138 ( wildncrazyguy138@fedia.io ) 
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      I equate it with doing those old formulas by hand in math class. If you don’t know what the formula does or how to use it, how do you expect to recall the right tool for the job?

      Or in DND speak, it’s like trying to shoehorn intelligence into a wisdom roll.

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        That would be fine if LLM was a precise tool like a calculator. My calculator doesn’t pretend to know answers to questions it doesn’t understand.

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          the irony is that LLMs are basically just calculators, horrendously complex calculators that operate purely on statistics…

        • outhouseperilous ( outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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          Mine just lies to me.

          And tells me to kill.

          Leaks weird fluids. Looks and feels like blood, but smells like lavender honey, possessed of a taste like unexpectedly cutting yourself on broken glass as you escape parental discipline to meet a lover.

          Hasn’t screamed in a while, though. So that’s nice. I guess if i keep it satisfied, i have to explain a lot less to my neighbors.

    • kate ( kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com ) 
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      Participants were restricted to using ChatGPT? So I am smart because I use Claude and there’s no science to tell me I’m wrong 😎👍

  • PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S [he/him] ( PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org ) 
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    Please I beg people: think for yourselves.

    I genuinely don’t know how to help people who don’t want to think for themselves 😖

    • crumbguzzler5000 ( crumbguzzler5000@feddit.org ) 
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      “I thought when I told the AI what to think but smarter, I did myandatory thinking now its up to the robot!”

    • RachelRodent ( WeLoveCastingSpellz@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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      Real. I mean I don’t wanna think for myself but in a kinky way! not in a tech bro way.

      • outhouseperilous ( outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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        You’ve never been to sf, have you?

        • RachelRodent ( WeLoveCastingSpellz@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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          Sf?

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    • ColdSideOfYourPillow ( ColdSideOfYourPillow@piefed.social ) 
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      They didn’t specify the amount of coffee. Maybe it’s A LOT.

    • HistoryPug ( HistoryPug@lemmy.ml ) BannedBanned
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      He’s sucking on the handle because some RAM told him that’s best.

  • blicky_blank ( blicky_blank@lemmy.today ) 
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    So this guy thinks books are typically ready in 2 hours…

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    What I’m getting from this exchange is that people on the left have ethical concerns about plagiarism, and don’t trust half-baked technology. They also value quality over quantity.

    I’m okay with being pigeonholed in this way. Drink all the coffee you want, dude.

    • dermanus ( dermanus@lemmy.ca ) 
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      For me it’s mostly the half baked technology angle. I’ve been in the tech industry for almost twenty years now and I’ve seen many, many cycles of hype. This one is less obviously dumb than NFTs but it still has all the same hallmarks.

      Maybe it’ll be useful at some point for summary or synthesis but for now it’s just a neat toy.

    • rekabis ( rekabis@lemmy.ca ) 
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      people on the left have ethical concerns about plagiarism, and don’t trust half-baked technology. They also value quality over quantity.

      This is an answer that resonates with me because it feels so correct.

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      Also, you know you can read a book in a coffee shop, right?

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        It’s the best of both worlds!

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    Every single time I have tried to extract information from them in a field I know stuff about it has been wrong.

    When the Australian government tried to use them for making summaries in every single case it was worse than the human summary and in many it was actively destructive.

    Play around with your own local models if you like, but whatever you do DO NOT TRY TO LEARN FROM THEM they have no consideration towards truth. You will actively damage your understanding of the world and ability to reason.

    Sorry, no shortcuts to wisdom.

    • outhouseperilous ( outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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      no shortcuts to wisdom

      Then what are drugs, then? Have you never tried (currently fashionable psychadelic)?

      • WeirdGoesPro ( WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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        Even drugs aren’t actually a shortcut, they can just put you in a position to receive the information better. Some people trip and do a lot of introspective work, and others just zonk out and let themselves get distracted.

        In my opinion, it’s how you use it, not what you use, that matters.

        • outhouseperilous ( outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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          Shortcuts still require walking, just less of it. It’s not a teleporter.

          Though i agree with the rest.

          • WeirdGoesPro ( WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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            Agreed, that’s a good way of saying what I was struggling to articulate.

            • outhouseperilous ( outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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              This feels strange and i don’t like it. Please disagree with me so we can fight.

              • WeirdGoesPro ( WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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                Okie dokie: drugs are bad m’kay, and they’ve clearly addled your mind. Jesus Christ says put the joint down, you commie. Any rebuttal is automatically going to be discounted because it is clearly the product of your neurotic and addicted brain. Leave the big boy spirituality to us sober heads who will tell you exactly what to think and who to vote for, just like God intended. /s

                • outhouseperilous ( outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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                  (Thank you)

                  Yeah, because ketting some bronze age shit head do all the drugs for you then jacking off about his fevered hallucinations for a few thousand years as they turn from attempts at understanding to a fiction you violently impose upon the world is so much better.

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      The amount of gratuitous hallucinations that AI produces is nuts. It takes me more time to refactor the stuff it produces than to just build it correctly in the first place.

      At the same time, I have reason to believe that AI’s hallucinations arise out of how it’s been shackled - AI medical imaging diagnostics produce almost no hallucinations because AI is not shackled to produce an answer - but still. It’s simply not reliable, and the Ouroboros Effect is starting to accelerate…

      • naevaTheRat ( naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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        It’s not “shackled” they are completely different technologies.

        Imaging diagnosis assistance it something like computer vision -> feature extraction -> some sort of classifier

        Don’t be tricked by the magical marketing term AI. That’s like assuming that a tick tac toe algorithm is the same thing as a spam filter because they’re both “AI”.

        Also medical imaging stuff makes heaps of errors or extracts insane features like the style of machine used to image. They’re getting better but image analysis is a relatively tractable problem.

  • hdnclr ( hdnclr@beehaw.org ) 
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    Ah, yes, the IQ benefits of letting machines think for you and blindly trusting what they spit out, while you atrophy your own critical thinking skills and lose the ability to have independent critical thought or produce any kind of useful analysis without said machines, so you develop a need to consume gallons of water and burn square acres of forest every time you need to do any kind of analysis or write anything of substance… yeah, those IQ benefits. Sure.

  • sp3ctr4l ( sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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    58 minutes of drinking coffee.

    That’s somewhere around 100 to 400 miligrams of caffeine, depending on your brew and how fast you drink coffee.

    Thats about 35 mg to 145ish mg of caffeine still in your system after 6 hours.

    400 mg of caffeine in a day is the generally agreed upon dangerous limit of coffee.

    So yeah, this dude is trading having a functioning brain and useful skills for… potentially OD’ing on caffeine, hypertension, diarrhea, addiction, etc.

    Brilliant.

  • BeBopALouie ( Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca ) 
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    IMO it’s going to make a bunch of mushmind people if not used correctly(when are things used correctly these days) and I also think AI needs to go back in the box until it actually works properly.

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      the only thing i’ve seen it do that is actually helpful is duckduckgo’s summary thing, because it has to actually pull the text from a whitelist of sources and thus is very unlikely to just make things up

      but even then i’d only use it for pretty simple things like “what’s the total population of these cities”, so that i can then click the sources it lists and check that everything seems sensible, trusting the answer without at least a quick sanity check is insane

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      It’s been programmed to do what it does. imo that’s the bare minimum of working properly - a program doing what you want it to do (from a dev standpoint)

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      This is jot AI and if you think it is you’re not.

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    It is pretty funny how often the most vocally against (and wrong about) AI are openly self-admitted lefties though. probably because the chiefs are 1000% used to falling for scams and thus jumped all-in early on the tech, but it seems many a lefty saw that and decided to be against it forever without any further thought

    lol, comment gets downvoted by the brainless dipshits I’m talking about. Lemmy’s gone way downhill, fucking pathetic

    • apotheotic (she/her) ( apotheotic@beehaw.org ) 
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      What is it that you think people are wrong about regarding AI?

  • AllNewTypeFace ( AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space ) 
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    Marxism-Butlerianism

  • Walk_blesseD ( Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone ) 
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    Banger post tbh.

  • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮  ( Kolanaki@pawb.social ) 
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    The IQ benefits are staggering.

    I dunno if I would say benefits…

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