As someone watching this from outside: More of this please.
This is just a test. Software that can track and surveil immigrats can also track and surveil people fighting against fascism.
Now do demolition.
I think that you might not get to claim the mantle of peaceful protest when you start blowing things up yourself.
Someone missed the news?
Cops have been blowing people’s home for decades.
And it’s US constitutionally agreed upon.
Unless you forgot what the theatrics of protest are for, I’m not so sure what’s your point here.
This article is about protests that were (arguably) largely peaceful, and I presume that was intentional on the part of the organizers. I doubt that they would be interested in dropping the mantle of peaceful protest in order to gain license to start blowing up buildings. I could be wrong about that, though. Certainly no one here seems to be interested in peaceful protest.
When peaceful negotiations breakdown between capitalists killing people overseas, to bombing homes of people peacefully protesting your violence, there’s only one language that communicates genociders to cease. And it’s not another protest.
fyi demolition doesn’t require explosives to eradicate invasive tools of the bourgeoisie. Read up history on how to get rid of intolerant elites.
So the ultimate point was to criticize these people for merely engaging in another protest rather than doing something effective?
This reply reads as if you are not aware the point of protest.
The protest here have proven their point: the fascist state of the US defends invasive corporations like Palantir Technologies Inc. to bomb civilians domestically and abroad.
Do you want genocide in the US?
So you are arguing that the optimal strategy is to do one protest to make your point about the state, and then start unleashing violence?
Pantir is one company I wouldn’t mind burning to the ground
Nah, keep it around and poison it with bad information so that the people using it make poor decisions, just like they did with Sauron in the Lord of the Rings!
That’d betting the information they collect from literally everywhere will not be enough to sanitise the bad parts. This might be the case but I’d say this bet is heavily rigged in their favour.
instructions unclrear: palantir office is now in underground bunker
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Look, people here seem to think that I am crying over what happens to Palantir. I’m not. What concerns me is that people genuinely seem to believe that destruction of buildings is perfectly compatible with the word “peace”.
If you are going to advocate for a non-peaceful act, then don’t shy away from what you are doing. Claiming that what you are doing is peaceful even though it involves blowing up things seems to me like inherently lying to yourself to make yourself feel better. It is much better to acknowledge that blowing up the building is a non-peaceful act and then examine it critically in order to determine whether it is really worth it, then to dismiss it as being peaceful which makes it seem like it is not a big deal.
I know that I am probably wasting my time, it’s just that so much of the hell we are going through in the U.S. is the result of people believing in stories that they tell themselves about what they are doing in order to make themselves feel better, rather than evaluating things critically, and I really wish there were less of this mentality in the world…
What is your favorite flavor of boot-leather?
RingSun, specifically the Black Coffee flavor.
Now that we have gotten that out of the way: if you think that blowing up fascist things is the right thing to do in a particular situation, then why do you care so much about whether it is a peaceful act or not?
I think that sitting in a peace circle while your friends get carted off to death camps is always the wrong thing to do.
Agreed, but if you had the option of hiding your friends, then that would probably be better than shooting at the people trying to take them away for the simple reason then you would probably get outshot, and if not then more would likely follow. If you don’t have that option, though, then by all means start shooting if that is the only way to save their lives.
Applied to this situation: it would probably be better for this group to protest peacefully for as long as they can because once they start blowing up buildings then most likely martial law or something similar will be declared and they will likely lose the ability to do anything unless they can win against the military. Additionally, they would likely end up alienating the general population, so there would be few places they could go to for support.
Hiding them? How did that work out for Anne Frank?
If the people keeping her family in hiding had chosen to open fire on the Gestapo instead of keeping her family’s presence a secret, then it is not clear to me how it would have resulted in her living longer than she did.
The soldiers would be dead and they could all have fled somewhere else.
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You did not have to go out of your way to admit your lack of reading comprehension, but I appreciate you for doing so anyway! 😆
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What “non-violent solution bullshit”? I never said that violence was never an acceptable solution (in fact, nor did I even use the word “violence”), just that it should be called what it is.
But if I am part of the problem, let me ask you this: what acts of violence have you personally carried out recently to fight fascism? Or are you part of the problem too?
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Nope, that was entirely an invention on your part. Recall that my actual words were:
It is much better to acknowledge that blowing up the building is a non-peaceful act and then examine it critically in order to determine whether it is really worth it, then to dismiss it as being peaceful which makes it seem like it is not a big deal.
If, after examining it critically, you decide to go ahead, then so be it; you just shouldn’t skip that step because blowing things up is kind of a big deal, even when merited.
(Believe it or not, I actually try my best to choose my words carefully in order to convey my position as clearly as possible; I cannot help the fact that people do not seem to put as much care into reading them in return.)
By I am extremely curious about how you would respond to the question in my comment, though:
But if I am part of the problem, let me ask you this: what acts of violence have you personally carried out recently to fight fascism? Or are you part of the problem too?
I would also add that if the answer to the first question is “none”, then: why not?
