In addition, we must work to create a European Big Tech industry.
yes, but also facepalm this is still missing the point
Big Tech industry
^ taps the sign above my head
THAT is the problem, yes the US version is one of the more aggressive cancers but recognize that the US is a product of the US mindset that worships big tech.
People are running out of water for their families because a category of techbro running my country consider the power hungry datacenters powering this AI “techboom” more important than human lives.
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In a much more regulated environment you would have recycled water instead of destroying families water supplies.
A lot of these critiques are of unregulated capitalism as opposed to the entity of big tech itself. Now can you have big tech without unregulated capitalism maybe not, there’s a reason it’s as broken of a system as it is.
who has run out of water due to a data centre?
secondly that sounds like a local government issue
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/apr/09/big-tech-datacentres-water
Nothing about this problem is local.
what about it?
this has to be stupid tech story of the year
wow they’re building a data centre in the uae call the police
Open source and socialised software across the EU please, not predatory big tech companies.
what does “socialised software” mean?
Owned and operated by community at large, with the goal of bringing value for people, not for bringing people’s money to shareholders
ok, so this is about how you run software, i.e. who owns the server hardware, while free software is about how software is developed, right?
I’m not sure where you’re pulling it all from, I suspect you have some kind of supposed gotcha in mind
no i’m just trying to clarify as i’ve never encountered the term before
I don’t think it’s a term, really, more of broad idea applied to this topic
How will it work ? If there is no profit because of open source and socialised software. Then how will companies hire people. Already there are many open source softwares on the market like linus. Open source will not become big like USA silicon valley.
Can we not? Silicon Valley sucks and imo hasn’t done anything innovative for a long time.
This is all talk. The EU and European countries are articulating what they know their population and the EU tech sector wants them to do BUT in the end, they will do none of it. Maybe vote a few laws, fund a few cheap FOSS projects that will never truly be applied/ used by EU countries except for a handful of cities, public services. But it will remain a minority as long as the EU puts the interests of the financial sector above all others.
Talking spaces such as this lemmysub are places where we, the end users and creators can collaborate to pressure them to at least consider things and get out of this Trump/Xi dependency our politicians want for us.
The EU is slow moving. That can be detrimental to techhnological arms races sometimes, but the stability it provides also has a lot of benefits. Currently they are consulting start-ups in a bid to streamline innovation and incentivize venture capital. Germany is now actively trying to make business administration easier. So the necessary steps are being taken, but it will take time to implement as is the wont of the EU and its member states.
All change starts with talk, but I do think that European politicians see the acute need for a new innovation framework that is tailored to the times. Even when that framework is in place it will take several more years to visibly notice results. But then the EU per definition looks at the long game, so it’s not a bad thing per se.
I think you have missed a few chapters, it’s not slow moving it’s glacial age moving. The free software policies have been already talked about since 2003., that’s 22 years ago. None of this is new, it did not appear with trump, nor with the Russian invasions. It’s way older projects and it all remains as talks, memorandums, conventions. Never anything enforced, GDPR is not enforced seriously, DMA will not be etc…
Let’s not kid ourselves anymore with the voluntary inaction of the EU.
You cannot understand how sorry I am about it. I am the result of a intra European wedding, I went places thanks to EU collaborations, I owe my wages and work hours in big parts to EU wide regulations. I still am an EU cheerleader in many wide ranging subjects. But on this one, in which European countries have the most economic, work opportunities , attraction pole, social benefits to reap for future generations. They are too much listening to the FANGS and banks and not enough to economists. It’s basic lip service that has been going on for too long.
It’s good that something is finally being done.
Instead of just copying big tech from silicon fucking valley, we could also improve on it somewhat, such as making the software open source.
Starting with the assumption that the US does many technology related things better, we should just adopt a mantra of making second-best copies of whatever the US does better.
Catching up is always quicker and cheaper than being the first to get there.
Invest in copying.
Even better, do it in the public! FOSS is the way to go
Yup. Just make the copying blatantly obvious and protect the new project from copyright/IP claims.
Finally, first real feasible comment about EU catching up to US and China. This is how countries like Korea, despite how tiny it is compared to the EU, still grow so well economically and stay #1 in various areas of competition. They play ‘catch up then compete’ game so well and are probably the best at it. They become #2 or top 5 or whatever in many things, synthesise them together to become #1. Even integrated solutions of these #2 offerings combined are what makes their packaged offerings so compelling.
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Yes, another Silicon Valley is definitely what we need ☠️
Ban American big tech? Okay, makes sense.
Create a European Silicon Valley? I don’t know about this one.
The reason China and the US are global leaders in technology is because of their complete disregard for human rights and the environment. Creating a “European Silicon Valley” would simply bring us down to their level, or at least closer. Mimicking America has never worked well for Europe. We need our own European systems born from our own European ideas.
This is absolutely not true. Europeans not investing and selling off every bit of innovation they produce to american vulture capitalists is the reason we are behind.
Also what have tech companies to do with the environment? Sure now the AI BS is a strain on energy consumption, but it’s not like EU started lagging only since 2022. China is doing generally much bettet wrt electrification than eg the Germans.
How about no??
Silicon Valley is an epicenter for the world’s most expensive narcicism. For 5k a ticket you’ll get first rate sycophancy, the kind Nero would enjoy. There’s probably about as many dead sex workers buried underneath silicon valley as there are indigenous corpses underneath boarding schools.
No joke, Silicon Valley needs to die - in a fire.
True but that is probably not what the vision is supposed to be.
Could we perhaps consider ways of making software that doesn’t involve killing hookers?
Better enforcment of GDPR and DSA may be enought to effectively ban big US tech without passing any new law.
High tech doesn’t have to be abusive.
High tech doesn’t have to be abusive.
No, but they regularly seem to choose that path.
Even if you are American, you should support this movement. The best way to end or reverse enshittification is through competition. The big American tech companies are no longer competing to make good or innovative products. They are competing to see who can monetize the most while risking the least.
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I don’t agree to ban it, since we would go stone age. But there should be incentives to use european alternatives.
And please hurry.
Breaking news: oil found in Europe.
