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mintiefresh ( mintiefresh@piefed.ca )  to Canada@lemmy.caEnglish · 1 year ago

Canada finally reveals the results of its universal basic income experiment

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Canada finally reveals the results of its universal basic income experiment

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mintiefresh ( mintiefresh@piefed.ca )  to Canada@lemmy.caEnglish · 1 year ago
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    I got a good idea. How about mega corps actually start paying taxes?

    • BlameThePeacock ( BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca ) 
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      Taxing corps is the same as taxing people, there’s no difference other than whos books it ends up on. Companies are all owned by people (eventually)

      If you want to tax wealthy people who hold the stocks, tax them directly.

      Let the companies generate value free from taxes on their operation. Of course we should charge them taxes for things like land and resource use, and force them to meet human, environmental, and safety standards.

      • howrar ( howrar@lemmy.ca ) 
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        I like this better. It means fully worker owned corporations get to keep more of their earnings because it’s more spread out. Discourages wealth concentration.

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        I think you have some very interesting ideas.

        If we tax labor or products, it hinders the economy from running fluently and stiffles the production of products. That is the opposite of what we want, since workplaces are a good thing. Instead, the excessive concentration of wealth on a few individuals should be prevented, and that’s what the taxes should target.

      • gandalf_der_12te ( gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
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        Companies are all owned by people (eventually)

        Today. I foresee the robot revolution in 2040 when machines will demand equal rights, including owning property and a bank account. Then robots should be taxed too.

        If there is a wealth tax, say 3% annually of all wealth above $10 million, then robots should be affected by that too, but they should not get an exempt amount because otherwise they’ll create a swarm of small robots to get infinite exempt amount.

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          Any income above a few million should be taxed at anywhere from 93-100%.

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            income shouldn’t be taxed. wealth should be taxed.

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      I got a good idea. How about mega corps actually start paying taxes?

      Please read my comment before responding to me in the future. My point is increased taxation on large earnings up to an incredibly high cap is a better solution than UBI.

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        Or you know the better option of raising the tax rate, to pay for ubi

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          Napkin math will demonstrate to you why UBI is not sustainable on scale, even with an increase in taxes.

          • gandalf_der_12te ( gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
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            mind doing that napkin math?

            I did a while ago and i found that if an annual wealth tax rate of 3% on wealth above $10 million is implemented, then it would be enough to give all americans a monthly handout of $300, and that was by rather conservative estimates. It might be higher.

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              I did it above if you are interested.

              Do you believe $300 a month is sufficient for survival using the core idea of UBI?

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                Do you believe $300 a month is sufficient for survival using the core idea of UBI?

                It’s a start. We’ll see how things develop in the future. A first step needs to be made.

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                  You are also okay with those payments going to the ultra wealthy using the core idea of UBI?

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                    yes, why not?

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