• communism ( communism@lemmy.ml ) 
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    It’s also not even a dogwhistle? Dogwhistles are meant to provide plausible deniability over what you’re really signalling. “Decolonize Palestine from the river to the sea” is an extremely straightforward and explicit demand that already says what it means.

    • BrainInABox ( BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ) 
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      Congratulations, Zionists also consider “free Palestine” a dog whistle for the destruction of Israel, so you’d better stop saying that too.

      Though at this point, hand ringing about whether people are calling for the destruction in Israel is like hand ringing about whether people were calling for the destruction of Nazi Germany in 1942.

      • Samsuma ( Samsuma@lemmy.ml ) 
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        How’d you come to that conclusion? Are you saying that “From the river to the sea” is distinct from “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”?

        • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea

          The precise origins of the phrase are disputed. According to the American historian Robin D. G. Kelley, the phrase “began as a Zionist slogan signifying the boundaries of Eretz Israel.”

          The Israeli-American historian Omer Bartov notes that Zionist usage of such language predates the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 and began with the Revisionist movement of Zionism led by Ze’ev Jabotinsky, which spoke of establishing a Jewish state in all of Palestine

          • Samsuma ( Samsuma@lemmy.ml ) 
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            And the indigenous reclaiming or reappropriating words and phrases totally never happened in history, ever. “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” is fundamentally different from “between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty”. Notice how the Euroanglo-Zionazis never utter the former phrase.

            Understand that the former phrase is more than just a reappropration to the latter, but a call for the liberation of indigenous land from occupation by settler-colonialists. It’s no dogwhistle, and it is very crystal clear what it means: not one inch for Euroanglo-Zionazis.

            Likewise, it’s very crystal clear what Euroanglo-Zionazis mean with their Lebensraum ass phrase: total wipeout of indigenous land and its people in favor of Euroanglo-Zionazis.

            • Well yes that is directly what happened. Both Israeli and Arabic are fundamentally not English languages, so the phrase “From the river to the sea” is always a translation.

              The Palestinians saw the Israelis using the phrase and hijacked it, finishing it differently as a form of resistance. What many people get wrong though is that they claim only the first part of the phrase is already against Israel, while that part of the slogan was invented by Israel.

      • just another dev ( admin@lemmy.my-box.dev ) 
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        Hmmnope. Replacing it with Russia, or Trump, or whichever political entity didn’t make it any less political for me.

        Let’s face it: this post does vaguely concern a tech company - in the sense that it wants to highlight the political opinion or quote of a figurehead of a tech company.

        So tell me honestly - is this mostly about tech news, or is it mostly about politics?

          • just another dev ( admin@lemmy.my-box.dev ) 
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            Everything is political.

            That’s debatable, but it might be in your life. However, not everything political is tech.

            And my reason for having high standards is that lowering them would expose me to too much garbage.

            The reason I’m subscribed here, and not on lemmy.world!technology, is that that place will allow anything that gets clicks - even if it’s only tangentially related to actual tech.

            Hence, the amount of rants about Musk is through the roof.

            I had higher hopes for this place, but it does require moderation. Your post, with all due respect, is just political circlejerk clickbait.

                • There’s a lot of strife inside the tech world from people who work for both big multinationals and startups, over their company’s continued dealing with Israel, and especially so with their armed forces. It’s not well covered, because tech journalism is - frankly very corporate friendly - because it relies on access to sources, and so is very subject to access journalism that self-censors and chills dissent or criticism.

                  Someone who joined on to work on population mapping for vaccine coverage planning, or a cloud service engineer, may strongly object to their work being contorted and sold off to enable and supercharge a genocide.

            • cheloxin ( cheloxin@lemmy.ml ) 
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              Ignore or block the post then. You’re free to not look. If you want something moderated to your specific standards only then go create it. Nothing is stopping you, but you’re trying to stop others. So stop it.

            • wolfinthewoods ( wolfinthewoods@lemmy.ml ) 
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              Politics concerns everything, and everything under the sun has a political component. You can’t extract human relations from governance and political action.

              Political (n) Of or relating to views about social relationships that involve power or authority.

              One of many meanings, but the one most relevant to this post.

              Also: Exhausted with the same damn argument of “Why does everything have to be political, there doesn’t need to be politics in x,y,z thing!” Jesus, the root of the word politics is the Greek word ‘polis’ which meant anything having to do with the citizens, the people, so yes, it’s all goddamn political.

              Polis (n)

              1. City
              2. Community