'Politics: This topic has caused serious problems in the past and as such is subject to tight control. Discussion of the politics of open source it permissible in the lounge.
Ah yes, the 2 sexualities: Straight and political
Thanks! I’m going to reuse this.
The original content was restored and a comment made by a mod underneath the profile page of the guy says this :
The original text of this topic has been restored. The moderator action was a mistake and not reflective of the Ubuntu Diversity Policy 6.
As stated within the policy “…we explicitly honour diversity in age, culture, ethnicity, genotype, gender identity or expression, language, national origin, neurotype, phenotype, political beliefs, profession, race, religion, sexual orientation, socio-economic status, subculture and technical ability.” The Ubuntu community is for everyone.
reads like a stereotypically canned HR message.
Chat, please write an apology that clarifies Diversity Policy 15 and assures the reader that as a company we are not homophobic. Please use a professional, courteous tone and limit the response to 500 characters or less.
That’s a great idea! Here’s an apology that clarifies Diversity Policy 15, assuring the reader that the company is not homophobic, using a professional, courteous tone, limited to 500 characters or less:
We’d like to apologize for the incident. According to Diversity Policy 15, [company name] does not discriminate based on sexuality — this incident waInternal Error
What wording would you have them use?
did you respond to the wrong comment?
At least link to the correct thing: https://bark.lgbt/@gimmechocolate/115164408860865811
Holy Hell! The twists! (spoilers) I couldn’t believe when an Ubuntu mod said “if we let you say you’re queer, we would also have to let people say they hate you and want you dead.” I was even more shocked when they were acting appropriately- Nazis are a protected class at Ubuntu (this is only a little hyperbolic and also that’s all the spoilers)
It seems for the last 5 years or so, Ubuntu has done a good job of making everyone hate them.
I think historically Canonical has always been a bit or a weird company. I ended up ditching Ubuntu because they seem to have this weird penchant for picking some new shiny feature (Unity, the convergent Desktop/Phone OS thing, Mir, currently Snaps) and just going all-in on it whether people want it or not, working on it until it’s almost good, then ditching it for the next shiny thing.
Also their hiring process is apparently bonkers.
Upstart was the one that made me ditch it back in the day. I came back when they embraced the more sensible systemd
shit all you have to do is try to update/upgrade the thing and it’s like rolling the dice if it’ll bork your system or not so they’ve done an excellent job in people hating them for that one reason.
without fail whenever they roll out an update you’ll see threads on mastodon or bluesky with people saying “welp, my Ubuntu is fucked” after an update.
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That is the correct move for them. Once you have built a lot of capital, whether that be monetary, political, or social, then you spend the capital.
Debian is basically Ubuntu without Snap.
You can switch. Just sayin.
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Good to know. I hate snap anyway
I don’t see where the mods made them change it. (Edit: I see it now. If you check the edit history on the post, it shows who made the edits, in this case it was DIscourse mod wild_man.)
Also, why is this a link to reddit?
The post on Mastodon has a screenshot of the post edit history:
And a copy-pasted response from a moderator (the most relevant bit):
So in my opinion, if your intention was to show political support for diversity, you should avoid using this flag. This will allow us to refuse the use of a flag for instance saying ‘non-queer’, If we allow your flag, then we have to admit also other similar political flags, both supporting and opposing diversity.
“If we allow your flag, then we have to admit also other similar political flags, both supporting and opposing diversity.”
Consider the following: no, they don’t.
Crazy statement, if we accept the gays we should accept the nazis too.
Our terminal liberalism forbids us from saying one thing is better or worse than another thing !
You have to understand, it just wouldn’t be fair to put inclusion over exclusion ! You care about equality, don’t you?
Sure, up to the point where they harass someone or attack them, or have a history of doing so. A belief of “I think some people do not deserve to exist” is different from a belief of “People should be allowed to X” or “People who Y should not be harassed”. A nazi sympathizer who thinks nazis shouldn’t be attacked is fine, a nazi who attacks others is not.
Nah, fuck nazis. They don’t deserve to exist.
I agree in principle, but you’re not going to win any battles with that mindset. They’ll just respond with “so much for the tolerant left”. Victimization is a beloved pastime for them.
A brick is approaching a Nazi’s teeth from an initial distance of 10m horizontally and a velocity of 10m/s. You may assume the absence of air resistance and treat the brick as a point mass.
Calculate the initial angle(s) required to remove the most teeth and determine whether the Nazi can complain about the tolerant left before a brick removes their ability to speak.
People unironicly think being trans is a political statement. People are really dumb.
But why must they also allow bigotry if they allow people to express who they are? That is the biggest load of shit. So if I say “I have a husband of X years,” they must also allow someone to say a bunch of bigotry as a counter view?
Or if I say I like open source software they must allow the trolls that want to call me a dirty hippie and tell me to get a job so I can pay for software? And I agree everything is political, and ignoring it doesn’t make it any less so.
But there aren’t any political flags on there…
The flag wasn’t removed?
That response does not appear on the Ubuntu site. There is no source on the mastodon paste.
The OP on Mastodon shared screenshots of the replies (can’t tell if they were originally in the forum post, or if it’s a DM):
Okay, that’s pretty difficult to read but it’s something.
But I checked the Ubuntu Discourse thread just now, and the statement “I am queer” has been restored by a mod. Hopefully the other mods are reminded of the policies they’re supposed to be following.
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So “we’re not taking an anti-queer ‘Don’t say gay’ stance”
It’s inaccurate mis-information, our official policy "We don’t comment publicly about policies and complaints our official stance is ‘no comments’ "
I’m calling this a “big ouf” moment
That doesn’t make sense. The only change to the comment was to remove part of their statement of identity.
Official response of the Discourse moderators: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/on-discourse-rules-about-politics/66986
The mods say that the mistake was in the misinterpretation of “queer” as a slur (because it used to be a slur), but they also mention that they privately discussed with the new user to convince them to remove a trans flag from the profile… and the mods didn’t really explain in the response why this happened…?
As always, read the response to make your own judgement.
The source for this is ultimately a social media post by someone @bark.lgbt.
Not exactly impartial.
Why does it matter if it’s impartial or not? Just go read the thread on Ubuntu discourse if you want to verify the information? It’s all there. The mod fucked up. Simple as that. It’s good that someone brought this to light.
Why does it matter if it’s impartial or not?
Lol.
Everyone is partial or biased in some way. What’s your point? Do you seriously believe that all the information you consume is impartial?
No really, what difference it make if the source is impartial if you can verify on your own that what they said is true?
The true changes if the source is impartial or not?
I thought they just went with “if you upgrade you will break it”.
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Jesse what the fuck are you talking about
As a queer trans woman, I’m glad I switched to Fedora.
At least they are admitting it was wrong instead of doubling down
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