It’s frustrating but it seems there’s no stopping it. These traitors will continue pushing for different variations of this until one passes.
And we keep pushing back.
Seems like this time around we only know this because of a leaked memo. We have very little power to push back and the people representing the countries in the EU are not even elected by the people.
EU commission is one of the most undemocratic institutes that dares call itself democratic.
They also mandated online age checks this year as a last minute amendement to an unrelated dossier (1).
They’re selfserving autocrats.
At this point, i think civically pushing back is the wrong way. They need to understand that such behavior is abusive and needs to stop. I think throwing bricks would be the better way of “pushing back” here. I.e., we say NO once, maybe twice, but the third time we throw bricks. The current shitshow is unacceptable. Even a toddler would behave more sensible than the EU commission. What the heck do we need that trainwreck of an organization for? They get paid a shitload of money while being the stupidest, most arrogant and removed from reality people i know.
In what way? We’re paying them to hurt us over and over again, and nothing we can do as they’re an unelected patriciate.
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We need to pass something that bans these types of bills or establishes some rights that prevents this.
What you see is also in part how the EU legislative process operates. There are very very long backs and forwards within the commission and with the committees, with proposals that sometimes improve and sometimes worsen (this particular one is an absolute disaster), until some form of consensus is reached.
There simply is an agreement that something should be done about the online distribution of CSAM, and so they’ll keep coming up with new ideas until something gives, or someone manages to spread the idea that simply nothing should be done about it.
The most effective way to fight this might be to build consensus around a less criminally insane way to do this.
The most effective way to fight this might be to build consensus around a less criminally insane way to do this.
There fundamentally is no less criminally insane way to do this. After WW2, there was a consensus in germany to not surveil its own citizens (as had happened during the Nazi times). This EU proposal goes starkly against that, and seemingly ignores all of the other blatant problems. The EU commission gets paid a shitload of money per year sothat they make meaningful proposals. This is hardly it. They need to prove they’re worth their salt by doing basic thinking and figuring out that such a proposal as is now on the table is not even worth being discussed, it should be discarded immediately.
There is fundamentally no less criminally insane way to combat the circulation of CSAM? Then the council may have a point after all…
actually i don’t think the council has a point
There simply is an agreement that something should be done about the online distribution of CSAM
For the protection of children, it’s essential that nobody makes money by distributing CSAM, because where money is to be made, somebody will do it. This calls for regulations on payment processors to ensure no illegal businesses are served by them.
Fortunately, AI kinda solves this because just like artists can’t sell art anymore if AI spits out more content at practically no cost, neither can CSAM be sold if AI spits it out at practically no cost. As such, the business dries out. And that’s what matters.
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Let’s just say: No traitors -> No pushing
Leave the EU, why even bother, it’s voted NO and 2 years later, they make us vote again on it. We need to defend ourselves every time but they only need to win once.
This is basic abusive behavior. Asking somebody again and again after they’ve already clearly said NO until they get a yes. Such a relationship is not a healthy relationship. If this issue gets discussed again, the EU should be classified as a non-consensual power structure, and the people should revolt against it. Leave the EU.
Or at least clarify that national law must take precedence before EU law again.
Ah, yes
Because the options are better
We have:
- oligarchy (dubai)
- Jesus land
- UK
If you don’t want chat control, just fucking vote for other politicans
Leave where to exactly. Need to know as fascists are on the rise again. Please.
Leave to a better variant of the EU. Tear it down, then build it up again, with the important rule in place that national law precedes EU law, i.e. countries can’t be forced by the EU to do something that the people in that country don’t like.
Wait what? Like i would love to have a better working EU as i am happy with many aspects of it but aside from voting and protesting i am unsure how to push for real reform.
I felt a great disturbance in the fediverse, as if millions of XMPP and Matrix servers suddenly relocated to Mexico and Canada.
Matrix over tor or i2p. In theory it should work. I don’t think there is any implementation ready for it. But I hope I gets done quickly.
XMPP can be hosted over TOR.
Find a yank you can trust and have him set you up a vps and a relay.
Hell, it might be how I fund my retirement.
How are you going to connect to those servers behind the European Freedom ™ protecting firewall?
Who’s to connect to?
blocked by The
GreatBigly SupremeAmericanTrump FirewallSoon we’ll all be the slaves we pretend we aren’t already.
I tried to send the email via fightchatcontrol and my email got rejected due “recipient policy”. Has anyone’s email got through recently?
I had the same with outlook, my account got blocked until I verified it again… It will work if you send to few Representatives at a time. For example, I sent 3 mails with 5 representatives each
A sad truth is that countries like China and Russia are using these techniques everywhere to counter domestic uprisings and also to support their subterfuge against the west.
What is the credible EU counter to that that wouldn’t destroy privacy? I cannot think of anything.
I don’t support this legislation, but I’m feeling uneasy about how weak we are in this sense.
I don’t live in the EU but this will affect me in some way and there is similar shit happening here where I live. What can I do to help?
Your messages will still be scanned because you do send them to somebody who falls under the European authority at some point and if you send something that gets flagged incorrectly you might end up with an interpol arrest notice and when you visit an interpol airport you’ll get arrested and could technically be deported to be judged and imprisoned in a country you don’t reside.
It’s not only images but ideas that will be scanned :)
I figured.
