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 ColdWater   ( @ColdWater@lemmy.ca )  to Linux@lemmy.ml · 4 months ago

This is the only Windows thing left on my computer

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This is the only Windows thing left on my computer

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 ColdWater   ( @ColdWater@lemmy.ca )  to Linux@lemmy.ml · 4 months ago
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  •  The Incredible Laser   ( @IncredibleLaser@troet.cafe ) 
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    @ColdWater that and probably the Microsoft root certificate stored in your motherboard’s firmware

    •  passepartout   ( @passepartout@feddit.org ) 
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      Also e.g. the lobbying around ACPI breaking suspend to ram sometimes. Funny little Bill Gates quote on that:

      One thing I find myself wondering about is whether we shouldn’t try and make the “ACPI” extensions somehow Windows specific. It seems unfortunate if we do this work and get our partners to do the work and the result is that Linux works great without having to do the work. Maybe there is no way to avoid this problem but it does bother me. Maybe we could define the APIs so that they work well with NT and not the others even if they are open. Or maybe we could patent something related to this.

  •  parpol   ( @parpol@programming.dev ) 
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    The super key

  •  Albbi   ( @Albbi@lemmy.ca ) 
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    I used to have this really awesome early 2000’s transparent blue plastic keyboard with all the newest media keys. The only problem was that it had 4 windows keys on it! One on either side of the spacebar. The right side of the spacebar was Alt, Windows, Context menu, CTRL. That was a bit weird but it was alright. The next placements were crazy though. Someone figured there was space for more keys right below the Delete, End and Page Down keys but I guess they couldn’t really figure out what would be best for there so they put a 3rd Windows key, a 2nd Context Menu and then a 4th Windows key right there. This was pretty close to the arrow keys and if anyone remembers gaming in the early 2000’s, pressing the windows key accidentlly would often just crash your game completely. If you could get back into it, it could take quite a while for it to respond again. So if you were playing something like Warcraft 2 multiplayer, that button was a fucking nightmare.

    Ugh, I loved the colour of that keyboard so much I put up with all those windows keys.

    edit: I can’t believe I found it! I’ve tried searching for this keyboard a few times, but finally found proof on this site!

    •  I_am_10_squirrels   ( @I_am_10_squirrels@beehaw.org ) 
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      Wow, that is pretty but also atrocious

    •  Tlaloc_Temporal   ( @Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca ) 
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      Wow, Win98 logo and media buttons? Truely between eras.

      I actually like the context key above the arrow keys, another method of effectively right-click is nice. Those Win keys are crazy though, that’s the perfect place for extra function keys. Imagine having f13 & f14 that you can bind to anything without worry!

    •  ChaoticNeutralCzech   ( @ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org ) 
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      Do you know why the 3 key has an n? I have a hunch:

      This is clearly a tactical keyboard for use in military, aviation or maritime navigation systems! /s

      •  bstix   ( @bstix@feddit.dk ) 
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        Now I gotta know the tactical reason for the 2 key to also have the 2 symbol?

        •  ChaoticNeutralCzech   ( @ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org ) 
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          I did’t know much about the German keyboard layout but I know the Czech one, which is derived from it (we both use QWERTZ) and was able to look up most of what I didn’t know.

          So, the keyboard has 4 layers: default, Shift, AltGr, AltGr+Shift (the fourth one is not standard but is recognized by xkb; in Czech I use it for custom character mappings, in German it is standardized but Linux-only).

          • Default layer prints lowercase letters a-z and äöüß, numbers and the symbols in the lower-left of each key.
          • Shift layer prints uppercase letters A-Z and ÄÖÜ and symbols at the top left of each key.
            • Caps Lock only affects letters.
          • AltGr layer prints lower-right symbols, most of which are only populated in a later version of the layout.
          • AltGr+Shift (Linux only) prints upper-right symbols.

          As you can see, AltGr+2 produces ², and AltGr+3 produces ³. I think the full-size “2” and “n” are misprints. My old Czech keyboard has some errors too.

          By the way, Czech is more chaotic:

          • we have lots more diacritics so the number row only prints numbers on its Shift layer (most people therefore use the numpad only)
          • to print rare diacritics (ó, ď, ť, ň, and German ä, ö, ü), one has to first press the corresponding modifier key (´, ˇ, ˚, ¨) like on typewriters
            • an alternative for common capital diacritics (á, é, ě, í, ú, ů, ý, ž, š, č, ř) is to briefly turn on Caps Lock (advantage over typewriters)
            • pressing the ˚ key twice prints the degree sign (°) twice (Windows) or once (Linux)
          • there is a bloody dedicated § key but we need to press AltGr+7 twice, then backspace (or Alt+96) for a grave (`), which is part of ASCII and used in Markdown
          • physical keyboards almost always reserve the right side of the keys for the English-US layout (very confusing for novices) so one has to type in the AltGr layer blind (except for €); it contains useful symbols ([]{}<>|\€$@#^&×÷`) as well as useless ones (Đđ – these are Slovene, why not the Slovak Ôô?), leading people to prefer Windows-only left-Alt+numpad codes (such as Alt+64 for @) that use the obsolete OEM-1252 codepage (the Unicode extension has to be enabled via registry and Alt+letters hex codes get passed to programs anyway, often defocusing the input element). I only found a Slovak one on Wikimedia Commons
          • some lazy manufacturers combine the Czech/English and Slovak/English layouts, which are similar except ľ, ť and ô, leading to 5 (!) symbols per key, 3 of which are irrelevant unless you switch layouts
          • Gboard for Android offers QWERTY for Czech, which looks normal (hold for diacritics, potentially swipe for ě and ů) and the unpopular QWERTZ-PC, which has all the physical keyboard’s quirks, but its “Czech QWERTZ” is based off German QWERTZ, containing ú and ů but not the other diacritics for some reason. All other keyboard apps with Czech language layout get this right (hold for diacritics, potentially swipe for ě and ů)!
      •  fading_person   ( @fading_person@lemmy.zip ) 
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        Whoa, it’s beautiful. I’d be still using it with some usb adapter.

        •  ChaoticNeutralCzech   ( @ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org ) 
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          The “n” is probably a misprint, AltGr+2 prints “²” and AltGr+3 prints “³” in the German layout; it can be customized to actually print “n” in xkb though.

          I mean, if the redundant Windows keys produce different codes, it could be worth a lot to macro enthusiasts. The model exists with an English QWERTY layout too:

          The picture seems to be from 1998 so you’ll likely need a passive DIN to mini-DIN adapter as well.

    •  ChaoticNeutralCzech   ( @ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org ) 
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      I submitted the mysterious extra n situation on military keyboards as a question for Lateral and they featured it in today’s episode!

      Spotify video • Spotify CDN raw file (34:18) • catbox.moe • Podverse.fm clip • Website with transcript

      Your browser does not support playing HTML5 audio. You can download a copy of the audio file instead. Here is a description of the content: catbox embed

      They reserve the right to edit questions and omitted the important n-lock key. A keyboard with a permanently missing 3 would be ridiculous.

  •  dorcas   ( @dorcas_gustine@beehaw.org ) 
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    For anyone interested, this is a tuxedo laptop

    •  ColdWater   ( @ColdWater@lemmy.ca ) OP
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      Why they use derpy Tux? or is it you choosing it I think they let you do that, but atleast it’s not a Windows logo

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        I’ve had this laptop for some years now and I don’t remember why it has the derpy cute Tux, but I think it’s the default one. https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/Individual-Keyboards.tuxedo

        •  ColdWater   ( @ColdWater@lemmy.ca ) OP
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          Yeah it’s cute but derpy cute XD

    •  fading_person   ( @fading_person@lemmy.zip ) 
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      This is so cute *-*

  •  Xarwid   ( @Xarwid@szmer.info ) 
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    I wish I could change the keycap of this key on every keyboard I own.

    •  grrgyle   ( @grrgyle@slrpnk.net ) 
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      Just put a lil bit o’ tape over it. I’m actually insane and put tape over most of the logos around my house hahahah

      •  Albbi   ( @Albbi@lemmy.ca ) 
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        Well it’s not like they paid you to display their logo. I think you’re just fiscally responsible and more people should do that.

        •  grrgyle   ( @grrgyle@slrpnk.net ) 
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          I wish more people would. I think it’s ridiculous that we’ve put up with buying all these tools and appliances that come with ads like pimples all over. Pisses me right off.

  •  Safeguard   ( @Safeguard@beehaw.org ) 
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    And soon, new laptops will have a second forced stupid Microsoft key. The copilot key.

    Not even joking.

    •  ColdWater   ( @ColdWater@lemmy.ca ) OP
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      They’re on some “AI” laptop for a while now

      •  Safeguard   ( @Safeguard@beehaw.org ) 
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        More things to ignore… #sigh

  •  EponymousBosh   ( @EponymousBosh@awful.systems ) 
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    I’m petty enough to put stickers over mine.

    •  SoleInvictus   ( @SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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      If you want an alternative, lab label tape is a bit pricy but is super durable, comes in fun colors, doesn’t leave residue, and sticks for practically forever.

      •  EponymousBosh   ( @EponymousBosh@awful.systems ) 
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        The “sticker” is actually an off-cut from a laptop skin from my other laptop (which also runs Linux, and also has a sticker over its Windows key :P), so it’s held up pretty well

    •  AnarchistArtificer   ( @AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net ) 
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      I respect this.

    •  ColdWater   ( @ColdWater@lemmy.ca ) OP
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      Yeah that’s what I’m gonna do on mine

  •  FreeBooteR69   ( @FreeBooteR69@lemmy.ca ) 
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    I hate that shit so much. I don’t buy keyboards with the Windows key logo on it anymore.

  •  MrSulu   ( @MrSulu@lemmy.ml ) 
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    Let’s pray for the day that future generations will know that to be the Super key, but like the floppy disk icon for ‘Save’ they won’t know why it is what it is.

    •  Damage   ( @Damage@feddit.it ) 
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      Save? It’s done automatically now. In the cloud!

  •  kyub   ( @kyub@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
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    Tips for coping:

    • Call it the Super key (actually the correct label I think)
    • Bind window management related hotkeys to it
    •  yeehaw   ( @cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca ) 
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      So we have a new name for the copilot key now?

      Since we already have super, maybe it can be the duper key?

    •  ColdWater   ( @ColdWater@lemmy.ca ) OP
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      It actually in a good spot for window management key, I bind mine to move window around on KDE

  •  ChaoticNeutralCzech   ( @ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org ) 
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    Why is there a Win-Lock option? I get Caps Lock and Fn-Lock but is there any other reason besides saving a finger for the all-important Win-Ctrl-Alt-Shift-L shortcut to open LinkedIn? /s

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      Its on gaming laptops so when you are playing, you dont accidentally open windows menu

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        Oh, so it does the reverse of what I thought

  •  pewpew   ( @pewpew@feddit.it ) 
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    Ok now remove fast boot and TPM

    •  ColdWater   ( @ColdWater@lemmy.ca ) OP
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      Bootloader? Not sure my laptop support it

  •  mybuttnolie   ( @mybuttnolie@sopuli.xyz ) 
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    my kb came with mac keys too so i replaced win key with command, i hate it less

  •  ordnance_qf_17_pounder   ( @ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com ) 
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    My Thinkpad has the Windows logo on the bottom bezel under the display, as well as this. Mostly doesn’t bother me, but it does feel a bit wrong for a laptop that all traces of Windows have otherwise been erased from.

    •  AnarchistArtificer   ( @AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net ) 
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      I sort of like that on my ThinkPad though. It reminds me of the defiance shown in liberating the laptop from its grim past life.

  •  Unlix86   ( @Unlix86@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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    I have both the windows key for meta and the apple key for alt on my keyboard which balances eachother out I think

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