Surprised by Estonia tbh. Both because they seemed like the type of country to have UHC, and because I had thought they were considered a developed country these days.
That did look weird so I decided to dig into it a bit. Unless I’m missing some vital information it seems like they don’t have universal healthcare on a technicality. Universal Healthcare is based on residency but Estonian healthcare is based on contribution. I’m probably grossly simplifying the system but the short gist is, if you work and pay the social tax you’re covered by healthcare. The only ones not covered by healthcare are unemployed people who haven’t officially registered themselves as unemployed, people who work illegally and people who work but just refuse to pay social tax. In every other aspect it seems to function like universal healthcare.
Seems exactly like the kind of system that would give Americans a hard-on due to “illegal aliens working illegally” not being covered by healthcare. But I guess that would be way too functional for working-class Americans so of course that can’t be done.
Yeah this chart is bs. Based on the Estonian criteria you’ve mentioned, both Canada and Hungary would not count as having universal health care. Even though in practice, Hungary actually offers better services than certain Canadian provinces and territories, but Canada is marked on this map while Hungary isn’t.
Here is a more representative map:
(wiki/Universal_health_care_by_country)Another Estonian chiming in here, the criteria above are about right. Being in school (incl university), or over the retirement age, or disabled, are some other criteria that also give you healthcare.
Anyway, something else to consider is that China’s system is similar to the American one, in that 1) Insurance isn’t guaranteed to everyone and 2) Some people have mandatory insurance, but it’s private, through the employer, as well as 3) you still have to pay out of pocket too. Yet in comparisons, their system is praised, while the US system is criticized. I personally think neither is great (even if the Chinese system is better). As such, if China is marked as universal health coverage, you can also mark US as having it, since they’re only 3 percentage points apart in the actual coverage (92% for USA vs 95% for China), neither country has 100% coverage. Neither do we in Estonia have 100% coverage, but at least here it’s fairly easy to get for anyone except poor entrepreneurs (if you’re on the board of a company, or own a company, but can’t afford to pay minimum wage’s worth of social tax on yourself, you don’t get healthcare, because you can’t register as unemployed). This seems weird, as in “what do you mean poor entrepreneurs”, but thing is, a lot of people are hustlers, and if you’re hustling, it’s best to have your own company for 1) VAT refunds if applicable and 2) to protect yourself in terms of liability, as well as 3) to simplify taxes and accounting (companies usually prefer dealing with other companies rather than private citizens). Registering a company costs like 200€ and almost anyone can do it, there are no annual fees either.
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FUCKING 1883
WE DIDNT EVEN HAVE CARS YET
THEY HAD UHC
It was only enacted by Bismarck because they banned the whole SPD for a few years and didn’t want their heads chopped off.
It was already a compromise at the time not only the reason of it’s implementation, but also execution
Also all of eastern Europe and all ex-Soviet republics used to have UHC, well until economic shock therapy, I.e. illegal theft of public property through shock privatisation, from which they are still recovering lol
That’s part of why America is the greatest nation in the known universe.
It’s Darwinism but only the rich survive.
No, it is not Darwinism, for in his The Dsecent of Man from the 1870s Darwin extended natural selection to include emotions; it is the individuals who are to reproduce that transmit their genes to the next generation. And the process of dating does not proceed by rape. Then there is a debate concerning “group selection”, and whether there is a selective mechanism at that level. Then it shifts a little back and forth, with inheritance of acquired characteristics (Lamarckism) making an occasional comeback until the modern synthesis between Darwin and Mendel in the 1930. But these days, horizontal gene transfer and several other mechanisms continue to blur the image a little. And Gould’s old calculations that made directed evolution improbable have also been challenged in computer models, and where they have landed, I do not actually know, since it has been some years since I even thought about this subject. What you are talking about is probably Herbert Spencer, who by some weird coincidence (or perhaps it was intended?), is buried next to his ideological opposite, Karl Marx, in a London cemetery. It is from Spencer that many such things have emerged. His influence upon the robber barons and the shaping of the American right was considerable.
I have noticed in Australia that Universal Health care is slowly becoming less universal (i.e. bulk billing has reduced significantly). So if we don’t pay attention, we may become one of the grey countries
I was going to ask what universal actually means.
You’re right that free GP appointments don’t really exist anymore. However, anyone can roll up to emergency and be treated for free.
“Developed” vs. “Undeveloped” is highly subjective and seems very vaguely racist. Don’t we have a way to quantify rather than qualify such a thing? Sonething like GDP per capita?
Also. Stop saying “third world countries”. Third world countries are countries which aligned themselves with neither the Axis nor Allies during ww2.
Hopefully canadians are not stupid enough to vote away their universal healthcare.
Israel has it too.
There’s some variability in quality:
Here’s a fellow brown person saying “I don’t want to die” as an example. I remember “el seguro” was never enough when things really mattered.
The US is the only developed country that does not have UHC
I see all of eastern Europe, lots of the Middle East, some of Southeast Asia, and a bit of South America that would probably count as “developed”.
OPs pic isn’t up-to-date & healthcare is generally a complex topic (“UHC” isn’t a strictly defined term).
Here is a more representative map:
(wiki/Universal_health_care_by_country)The colors represent practical application, not theoretical law (eg more countries allow private insurance besides a public one in a mixed system, but it seems it’s shown as such only where it’s significant).
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