• janNatan ( janNatan@lemmy.ml ) 
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    So many get this backwards.

    The languages (there are multiple, including historical languages that explain the transition into the modern languages) came first - by about 40 years.

    He did not invent languages for his world. He invented a world to explain how his languages would come to exist.

  • hzl ( hzl@piefed.blahaj.zone ) 
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    Makes sense. The biggest strength of robust worldbuilding isn’t showing it all to your audience, it’s hinting at small pieces of it that shows a connection between them and hints at something deeper. Having what feels like a detailed history makes the world feel real, because you can see shadows of it in the foreground. If you actually dig into all of it explicitly in your story that just makes it feel shallow, because you’re showing the whole iceberg.

    It’s why the mystery of the clone wars and Anakin’s apprenticeship and betrayal of Obi-wan were intriguing in the original Star Wars trilogy, but end up just being some action movies once it’s all fleshed out on screen. Depth stops being depth if you bring it all up to the surface.

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      I wish more writers would understand what you’re pointing out here, I’ve actually stopped reading quite a few books over the years because the actual story takes a back seat to the world building.

  • Malgas ( Malgas@beehaw.org ) 
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    …in service of his fantasy epic.

    This is wrong. The the histories, cultures, etc. were in service of the conlangs. Sure, he eventually wrote some stories set in that world, but that wasn’t the reason he created it.

  • It keeps blowing my mind when I learn that other languages haven’t obfuscated the meanings of names behind two thousand years of linguistic divergence.

    Your name almost certainly means something basic too, you just don’t remember what it is.

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      Yep. Some common names:

      Steve ← Steven ← Stephanus ← στέφανος = crown (or wealth)

      Linda ← -linde = tender, soft

      James ← Iacomus ← Iacobus ← Ἰάκωβος ← Ἰακώβ ← יַעֲקֹב = heel, footprint / follow, watch, observe

      Karen ← Catherine ← Αἰκατερίνη ← Ἑκάτη = one who works from far away (referring to a goddess)

  • lath ( lath@piefed.social ) 
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    Seriously, like Gandalf just means magic elf. So he’s just the magic elf that wears grey. Then he’s the magic elf that wears white.

    Names are just that, things we observe, want or expect.