• ZDL ( ZDL@lazysoci.al ) 
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    11 months ago

    Absolutely. Any man claiming to hate feminism either doesn’t know what feminism is, or does know and doesn’t like being reined in on being an asshole.

  • I agree. Most men have never had their privilege properly challenged. Many have never even recognized they have privilege. I think that feminism, which is more focused on equality and raising women up, makes them feel threatened.

  • Hexarei ( Hexarei@beehaw.org ) 
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    Yep, the only thing feminism “takes away” is the things that made men think they’re our betters. Turns out, when you’ve built an identity on your own sense of superiority, having the playing field leveled by elevating everyone else feels a lot like losing.

  • JackbyDev ( JackbyDev@programming.dev ) 
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    I don’t necessarily agree because I think a lot of men are short sighted about how patriarchy can negatively affect them. That said, men hating feminism is still a big red flag. I don’t feel safe around them. It’s not like I think “oh this person has been duped, they’re actually not bad.” Idk if that makes sense. Like the same way I think Fox News viewers are brainwashing but still not necessarily great people to be around.

    Edit: I agree that feminism takes only bad things away from men.

  • Devjavu ( Devjavu@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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    True feminism does take things away from men. But it’s things they should not have in the first place. Like having double the power to vote. Making more money. Getting to boss around others. When you “take away” slaves from a master, the master loses their slaves. Another word is to free the slaves. The master will be less powerful than before.

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    in recent years parts of the movement have flipped from a pro stance on womens rights to male oppression. Let me explain what I mean here.
    A few years ago my little brother was bored at school and we were told that he should do some MINT stuff. Alright, we have groups for that, so we went and looked at available courses. Well shit, turns out because a lot of these groups want a good image, they make a lot of female only courses, especially in male dominated fields. The result was, that he was often not able to do what he really wanted and had to settle for something that gave him less. Instead of learning how to design and build a (little) machine, he went on to sequence some DNA. I see this in school and some other places as well.
    As it is, GENDER equality doesn’t really benefit from strengthening one gender over another. It gets even more complicated with the less binary genders from LGBTQ, which will probably be the next to get oppressed, though I sure hope not. I know this touches on issues that are technicall not what real feminism is, but it’s been coined that a lot, so here we are. Instead of separating us by building female-only train wagons, couldn’t we just have security? Instead of fighting, that women should be paid the same as men, couldn’t we just say everybody gets the same? That’s where I would like to be.

  • DoomSayer ( DoomSayer@lemmy.ml ) 
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    This hits like a false dichotomy.

    There are lots of things I “hate” that take nothing from me. Love Island for example. I don’t watch it, never have, but occasionally catch an advert for it or shows like it. At which point my blood boils and I usually have to hit the mute button while I mock the 2.3 seconds of the voice I just heard out loud until the ceremony has concluded. I immediately forget the whole event once my program comes on.

    Doesn’t mean I’m trying to hold some special power over Love Island (except for the mute button). Also doesn’t mean I don’t acknowledge the seriousness of the discussion around feminism. Just means that some men want to ‘hate’ the things they don’t care for. Not wanting to join a debate doesn’t mean you don’t care for the topic just might mean you’d rather put your energy elsewhere.