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Biggest WTF news I’ve read today. I’m not a web dev so this doesn’t affect me, but this is bizarre.
We get a closer first look at what’s around the corner for AI coding tools, and make Bun better for it
This incredibly popular tool is now going to merge with an AI company and shift gears to be turned into some forced AI hype machine. Yipee! Exactly what all the devs were hoping for! /s
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Oh goddamn it. I just started doing projects in Bun and moving some of my older projects to it.
Fuck fuck fuck fuckity fuck fuck.
Same this really sucks
Yeah. I’m going to keep using it for now but definitely going back and un-reimplementing some things that I moved into the Bun API. Basically just gonna use it as a runtime in place of NodeJS.
I just really liked being able to build and distribute a single binary executable :(
I would say it should be forked but no one knows Zig haha.
I know some, it’s such a shame that one of the biggest zig projects suffered this fate, they’re also a significant contributor to the zig project
Also kinda ironic that Zig itself takes a very different direction as it has a strict no LLM policy and recently moved from GitHub to Codeberg.
Why?
I started using Claude Code myself. I got kind of obsessed with it.
Over the last several months, the GitHub username with the most merged PRs in Bun’s repo is now a Claude Code bot. We have it set up in our internal Discord and we mostly use it to help fix bugs. It opens PRs with tests that fail in the earlier system-installed version of Bun before the fix and pass in the fixed debug build of Bun. It responds to review comments. It does the whole thing.
Seems like they’ve bought into the hype.
YIKES
Not overly surprising.
Google and Salesforce have been “developing” new features and products this way for at least the last 13 years?
- Find promising small business/startup
- Buy it with your war chest money
- Force them to integrate with your systems and live inside your walled garden.
I’m not a business expert, so i want to ask:
Can you “reject” being bought?yes, so long as you don’t them putting pressure on your suppliers and helping your competitors, I guess
Or just building a straight close of your idea and crushing you. Happened to my startup.
Getting bought is often the whole point for a founder, since that’s one of a few ways for you to get a big payday.
Getting bought only really happens if a majority of the shareholders agree to it, so you can reject it as much as you want.
Yes but… not really.
If you’re amazingly talented and spend 10 years of your life building something amazing but have no money, when someone offers you millions you’re just gonna take it.
It depends on how much of the company you gave away when you took on investment. If you no longer have the controlling share you can be overruled.
:(
Time to switch to yarn or something.
Yarn isn’t a JS runtime
Sure, which makes the transition suck even lol.
Serious question for anyone who actually uses Bun:
Why are you using Bun instead of Deno or Node?
If you would have asked me 10 years ago, what were the biggest problems with JS as a whole, I would have stated:
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Poor type safety
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No standard library which leads people into dependency hell
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Poor security (installing a project should not even allow the possibility of key stealing or ransomware)
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No runtime ergonomic immutable data structures with fast equality checks (looked like it was going to be resolved with the Records and Tuples proposal, but it was withdrawn and discussions are continuing in the composites proposal)
Today I consider point 1 mostly resolved and point 4 a problem for TC39 and engine implementers, and not resolvable by runtimes themselves.
That leaves us with problems 2 and 3.
I see Node having poor solutions for 2 and 3.
I see Bun having poor solutions for 2 and 3.
I see Deno having great solutions for 2 and 3.
As far as I can tell, people have chosen Bun for either hype or speed reasons.
Hype doesn’t seem like an important reason to choose Bun since it’s always fleeting and there’s enough investment in the industry to keep each runtime going for a long time.
I do see speed being a moderate issue with JS, but that’s mainly due to:
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dependency install times which should be a one time cost, and which can be reduced anyway by using a standard library
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slow framework slop, which isn’t really a runtime issue.
So I’m not sure speed fits as a reason for choosing Bun.
I’m not sure what the other reasons are, but I’m genuinely curious.
If you’re using Bun in projects today, why have you chosen bun?
I don’t know many people who choose Bun instead of Node or Deno, but all of them do it because speed.
IMHO, I like Deno because it’s offering solutions for everything and trying to not fall into same issues Node had (same creator, trying to apologize), but eventually I run into Node because TypeScript and easy-to-use (in my experience). Anyway, Bun always has been to me like the third wheel of the bike.
Speed, and the package manager and node backwards compatibility is great
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yeah as a dev myself I saw this coming a few months back and stopped using Bun so this doesn’t surprise me. They got on the cursor hype train awhile back and that was enough for me.
Welp. Guess I’m switching to Deno.
Man, Bun’s great, I’ve been using it since 1.0.0 essentially so that REALLY sucks
Like some of the other people commentating on this thread, I’ll look into using something else, but it’s really sad and frustrating that I need to switch things over and over again
People who are surprised by VC funded software going to shit…
Seriously, this always happens. At some point the investors want a huge payout and they will get it by exploiting existing users or they just shutdown the whole company and strip it for parts.
Uhoh, now the anaconda is going to want some.
Evil spreads its tendrils further yet.
Yup, even AI companies are being infected by the evil of Javascript!
That sucks. I was really liking bun.
As a regular joe on the web, it doesn’t affect me directly, yet. However, I foresee more slop sites getting put out there in as the Execucult’s naked desire to worship and exalt the thing they are desperately trying to make fetch: AI. This year is so fucking weird with all the AI glazing and executives trying to desperately will AI into a moneymaking thing. Spoiler Alert: It’s probably going to continue hemorrhaging money as most people can’t be arsed to use it nor do they want products with it crammed in.
Ah fuck, o7 bun. It was a pretty nice runtime, Deno it is now I guess.
I’m so glad I don’t have to use JS
In fairness, Anthropic needed some way to bundle up to stay warm in the upcoming AI winter…,
