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alessandro ( alessandro@lemmy.ca )  to PC Gaming@lemmy.caEnglish · 10 months ago

Valve Responds To Steam Machine's HDMI 2.1 Display Support Controversy [HW support is there, but "The HDMI forum" doesn’t allow with OpenSource drivers]

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Valve Responds To Steam Machine's HDMI 2.1 Display Support Controversy [HW support is there, but "The HDMI forum" doesn’t allow with OpenSource drivers]

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alessandro ( alessandro@lemmy.ca )  to PC Gaming@lemmy.caEnglish · 10 months ago
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Valve Responds To Steam Machine's HDMI 2.1 Display Support Controversy
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Valve has set the record straight over the implementation of HDMI in the upcoming Steam Machine.
  • Goun ( Goun@lemmy.ml ) 
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    Fuck hdmi

    • stoy ( stoy@lemmy.zip ) 
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      HDMI requires a license cost, DisplayPort is free.

      What advantage does HDMI hold over DisplayPort?

      • NickeeCoco ( NickeeCoco@piefed.social ) 
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        No real technical advantage; it’s just owned by the same shitbags that dominate the TV market, so it’s the only way to connect to a lot of consumer living-room displays

        • fascicle ( fascicle@leminal.space ) 
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          Display port to HDMI cables are pretty good

      • Localhorst86 ( Localhorst86@feddit.org ) 
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        My guess is TV compatibility. The steam machine is intended as a living room PC, connected to your TV. Most TVs only have HDMI, no DP.

      • rabidhamster ( rabidhamster@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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        HDMI has always sucked. I used DVI for the longest time, because HDMI couldn’t push enough pixels to a 1920x1200 display (topped out at 1080p for the longest time). Then jumped straight to display port when I finally got a 4k monitor.

        HDMI was always 4-5 years behind other contemporary protocols, and for your trouble, you also got a stack of proprietary bullshit to go with it.

      • ramble81 ( ramble81@lemmy.zip ) 
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        My understanding is it’s not even a licensing issue. The HDMI consortium won’t let you include features from 2.1 and 2.2 in an open source driver. it sounds like Valve would be willing to pay, but they’d have to include a closed source driver for the video card.

        • spinning_disk_engineer ( spinning_disk_engineer@lemmy.ca ) 
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          That’s still a licensing issue: you’re not allowed to license from the HDMI consortium and then freely sublicense to all your users, which is what open source requires. Hopefully this eventually concludes in the end of relevance for HDMI and we can have a freer, and just better ecosystem in general.

          • ramble81 ( ramble81@lemmy.zip ) 
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            I don’t see “relevance for HDMI” ending anytime soon. Tell me how easy it is to find a TV with DP inputs. Nearly 99% of consumer gear uses HDMI.

            • spinning_disk_engineer ( spinning_disk_engineer@lemmy.ca ) 
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              It’s easy to find a TV with USB-C input, though not universal. That still uses the DP protocol, and cables with different connectors on opposite ends are both cheaper and more common than those with HDMI as a result. Also, this is only even an issue if HDMI 2.0 isn’t fast enough for you, so old devices aren’t a concern.

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                The only down side is DP Alt mode is optional and must be enabled and supported by the internal controller and system. In order to do that, you might as well just go full DP at that point and somehow I don’t think the manufacturers are gonna spend more money on that. Most likely the USB-C port only supports a mass storage class device.

      • renegadespork ( renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net ) 
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        I’m not sure where I got this idea, but I thought it was because Display Port doesn’t carry audio, and a single-cable solution was more appealing.

        But apparently Display Port also supports audio, just none of my devices seem to recognize it…?

        Apparently the only advantage of HDMI is ARC (Audio Return Channel), allowing devices to send audio back to the video source, which might be useful in some home theater setups.

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          I ruined my audio ports on my computer and now run my speakers through my monitor using DP, it works great!

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          Wow I always assumed the same thing lol

        • sem ( sem@piefed.blahaj.zone ) 
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          And cec. Idk what arc is but I use cec daily.

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            ARC lets you connect your speakers to your TV via HDMI, while also letting your TV control the speakers via CEC. The downside is that it takes up an HDMI port, and they only put like 2 of them on modern TVs.

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            I’m pretty sure Display Port supports CEC (pin 14)

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          Ohh TIL, thanks! I could count the times I needed the TV to send audio back to the home theater, like if I want to watch open channels or something.

          I think we could live without it, just plug an audio cable or something, fuck hdmi.

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        The HDCP encryption is why it’s used.

      • alessandro ( alessandro@lemmy.ca ) OP
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        Conglomerate like Sony pushes it with their business in selling TV and collateral interest in media DRM for their services.

        Other TV OEM companies follow Sony&co. lead because… uhm… “Oh! They make customers… spend money” broadly shake hands in air

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        I don’t think you can send audio over DisplayPort

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          Funny, I have done it for years at home, I guess I am just confused

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            Somebody replied to other comment, but it seems like hdmi allows audio to be sent back, like, if you wanted your screen to send audio to the computer… which would be weird in most PC scenarios, but not so much on TVs.

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        HDCP?

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