This might not be what you meant, but I’ve found 90+% of the ‘online left’ regardless of ideology to be far more ultra-left, alienated and toxic than most people on the ground, even including the drama kiddos on college campuses and split rival organizations. To everyone I highly recommend finding people in real life, if possible.
there’s also difference between being correct and being effective. right wing propaganda machines program people to exist in binaries and young leftists, new initiates i mean, have to break out of that. they have to learn to listen to the problems people are experiencing and talk about how to address those problems rather than fixating on an us/them dichotomy
Have you considered that if leftists are correct, conservatives are too, and that it’s merely a matter of perspective? It seems as though your consideration of libs being bothered may be a case of projection as it bothers you that other perspectives may be worthy of consideration as well.
I think I agree with you, I was merely trying to point out that not all conservatives are fascists. Thinking that way leads to a superiority complex in leftists that may ultimately turn themselves into fascists too.
Probably a lot of fake anarchists paid (or duped) to give anarchism a bad name, to give people the wrong idea about what anarchism is, to turn them away from mutual freedom for each and all, back into the arms of daddy corporatarchy government.
Like that malarch in this thread, saying they wanted to kill 37% of everybody, because anarchism. `_`
And great example that just because you were born to riches, does not mean you have to remain an inegalitarian maintaining the power imbalance keeping the little people down.
(I’m probably some ways wrong about this in my lingering naivety [and, so, happy (eager, even) to hear counter-arguments, refutations, educations otherwise], but…)
I see Engels as part responsible for leading Marx astray from listening to Bakunin['s warning] [1].
It’s my impression that younger Marx was much more fervently libertarian along with his economics, and then later stripped the freedom to a mere wishful happenstance footnote in preference for a more purely economics focus, which opened the door to the authoritarians to usurp his work, and turn it into the whole “well then we’ll make them free” and “some are more equal than others” cognitively dissonant perversion.
[1: quintessentially: “We are convinced that liberty without socialism is privilege, injustice; and that socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality,” – Mikhail Bakunin]
Let me be that exception! I think the best way to destroy authoritanism, is to help people become so independent of other’s resources, that they can just decide to opt out of work for good. And there would be no way to strike against them that isn’t blatant force or robbery (Can’t cut their electricity due to bills, can’t cut their food source as they grow their own, passive water generation, technical expertise, no illegal activities, small amount of passive income to cover land tax).
They would still have small vulnerabilities, but it would be quite quite hard to force them and keep them in a toxic workplace, if they can just chill for months or even YEARS, without being forced to work. This will force workplaces to basically suck up to the average employee, increase raises, increase benefits, and oh…abuse would be completely intollerable.
All the technologies that can emancipate us, each and all.
Y’know…
All those technologies that are suppressed by capitalists to maintain their crippling extortionate rents that happen to be very polluting too.
And to, oh, y’know, undo all the McCarthyian redscare psyop that conflates anarcho-communism with totalitarian communism and presents capitalism as the system that frees them.
“Ferengi don’t want to end the exploitation. They want to become the exploiters.” – Rom
Would be a lot easier once people stop falling for all the “advertising and marketing”.
Or if someone just decides to provision everybody with spaceships of their own. Each capable of printing another of itself instantly, sustain life, with zero-point energy powered zero-inertia propulsion, safe enough for a 2 year old to fly home. I hear these already exist (for about a century now). Could have not just “disclosure”, but radical provisioning sublimation. Do you have spaceships yet? And the reassurance everybody else does too so they’re not trying to take yours?
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This might not be what you meant, but I’ve found 90+% of the ‘online left’ regardless of ideology to be far more ultra-left, alienated and toxic than most people on the ground, even including the drama kiddos on college campuses and split rival organizations. To everyone I highly recommend finding people in real life, if possible.
real life leftists are fun as hell to be around. if anyone’s looking for some:
I kinda got excited about redneck revolt but their website says they disbanded in 2019.
the national org did but the local groups are still active. probably look for things that say either “redneck revolt” or “john brown society”
Good.
Harder to usurp and pervert.
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Or left it entirely over a decade ago.
As opposed to internet communists who are well known for not being insufferable
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there’s also difference between being correct and being effective. right wing propaganda machines program people to exist in binaries and young leftists, new initiates i mean, have to break out of that. they have to learn to listen to the problems people are experiencing and talk about how to address those problems rather than fixating on an us/them dichotomy
Have you considered that if leftists are correct, conservatives are too, and that it’s merely a matter of perspective? It seems as though your consideration of libs being bothered may be a case of projection as it bothers you that other perspectives may be worthy of consideration as well.
Yeah. Maybe should cease being played into being against each other.
Unite freedomwards.
No more falling for the terror psyop of each being out to take away your freedoms. Cui bono.
Da fuq you on about?
See my other reply in the thread.
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I think I agree with you, I was merely trying to point out that not all conservatives are fascists. Thinking that way leads to a superiority complex in leftists that may ultimately turn themselves into fascists too.
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I’m not much of a conservative, so no need to try to bait me 😂
But if that was not your intention, carry on!
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Probably a lot of fake anarchists paid (or duped) to give anarchism a bad name, to give people the wrong idea about what anarchism is, to turn them away from mutual freedom for each and all, back into the arms of daddy corporatarchy government.
Like that malarch in this thread, saying they wanted to kill 37% of everybody, because anarchism. `_`
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Arguably the dupes.
anarcho capitalism!
Ewww no!
maaaaan can’t make it right …
If either of them don’t do mutual aid their dead to me.
Commies that say they do mutual aid because of communism I kindly remind them. “You actually do mutual aid because of Kropotkin.”
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And great example that just because you were born to riches, does not mean you have to remain an inegalitarian maintaining the power imbalance keeping the little people down.
Well done Kropotkin.
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(I’m probably some ways wrong about this in my lingering naivety [and, so, happy (eager, even) to hear counter-arguments, refutations, educations otherwise], but…)
I see Engels as part responsible for leading Marx astray from listening to Bakunin['s warning] [1].
It’s my impression that younger Marx was much more fervently libertarian along with his economics, and then later stripped the freedom to a mere wishful happenstance footnote in preference for a more purely economics focus, which opened the door to the authoritarians to usurp his work, and turn it into the whole “well then we’ll make them free” and “some are more equal than others” cognitively dissonant perversion.
[1: quintessentially: “We are convinced that liberty without socialism is privilege, injustice; and that socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality,” – Mikhail Bakunin]
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is that,
If either of them don’t do mutual, aid their dead to me.
or
If either of them don’t do mutual aid they’re dead to me.
?
Let me be that exception! I think the best way to destroy authoritanism, is to help people become so independent of other’s resources, that they can just decide to opt out of work for good. And there would be no way to strike against them that isn’t blatant force or robbery (Can’t cut their electricity due to bills, can’t cut their food source as they grow their own, passive water generation, technical expertise, no illegal activities, small amount of passive income to cover land tax).
They would still have small vulnerabilities, but it would be quite quite hard to force them and keep them in a toxic workplace, if they can just chill for months or even YEARS, without being forced to work. This will force workplaces to basically suck up to the average employee, increase raises, increase benefits, and oh…abuse would be completely intollerable.
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Everyone has limited resources, especially when your source is cut off.
Yeah. Bring on the emancipatory technologies.
All the technologies that can emancipate us, each and all.
Y’know…
All those technologies that are suppressed by capitalists to maintain their crippling extortionate rents that happen to be very polluting too.
And to, oh, y’know, undo all the McCarthyian redscare psyop that conflates anarcho-communism with totalitarian communism and presents capitalism as the system that frees them.
“Ferengi don’t want to end the exploitation. They want to become the exploiters.” – Rom
Would be a lot easier once people stop falling for all the “advertising and marketing”.
Or if someone just decides to provision everybody with spaceships of their own. Each capable of printing another of itself instantly, sustain life, with zero-point energy powered zero-inertia propulsion, safe enough for a 2 year old to fly home. I hear these already exist (for about a century now). Could have not just “disclosure”, but radical provisioning sublimation. Do you have spaceships yet? And the reassurance everybody else does too so they’re not trying to take yours?
I fucking would if I could. You have no idea the insane shit I tried to do that no normal person would!
John Hutchison type stuff?
Something like that. Attempted to fucking carve a 3D printer frame out of some rotten log (I was destitute, and trying to recreate the WolfStrap).
I had no plan on how to get the metal parts.
I also (attempted) to design something that can print itself.
Now I’m trapped in an eternal cycle of work, like most people, and my next shot (if any), will be during retirement.