Background
I have been quite fascinated by Europe’s continental suicide in the face of the failure of Project Ukraine and the fracturing of the “transatlantic understanding”.
I think Europe still has time to choose strategic autonomy:
- Rapprochement with Russia to restore their energy competitiveness.
- Rapprochement with China to restore their global trade and industrial competitiveness.
- Seek out global markets to blunt the Trump tariffs.
- Pressure Ukraine to hasten their inevitable capitulation before they loose EVEN MORE LAND AND SOLDIERS.
Of course as we all know, the Western media has the complete opposite narrative, a jumble something like “Russia has lost 10 bajillion soldiers and they don’t actually have military equipment at all and also advancing on the battlefield counts as losing if it wasn’t as fast as we ourselves predicted it would be.”
Content for the tribunal:
Mod actions: removed comments, banned from community
Responsible mod: Unknown to me
Link to First Comment (now removed)
First comment with better formatting:
- This war started in 2008 at the Bucharest NATO summit, when the US announced its intention to expand NATO into Ukraine and Georgia. EVEN EUROPEAN LEADERS like Merkel and Sarkozy noted AT THE TIME that the Russians would view NATO expansion into these countries as tantamount to a declaration of war. Over the next 14 years the West did a “color revolution”, the Banderites did an ethnic cleansing campaign in the Donbass, and the West sabotaged and undermined THREE DIFFERENT PEACE AGREEMENTS before the Russians’ famous patience finally expired in 2022.
- Ukraine doesn’t need money to win the war, it needs TRAINED INFANTRY and to a lesser extent weapons. MOREOVER, anyone who thinks this money will last Ukraine even a whole year is delusional. The annual BASELINE burn rate of the Ukraine regime is 150B+ annually, and tax receipts are essentially nonexistent.
- They must be REALLY DESPERATE to risk the CREDIBILITY OF THE ENTIRE EUROPEAN FINANCIAL SYSTEM on this foolish gambit. They are breaking the very “Laws of Capital” that the West itself wrote. The Europeans seem determined to beat the Americans in a race to economic decline and collapse.
Tell me again about the “moral case” for stealing sovereign assets to prop up a stunningly corrupt regime in terminal collapse?
Looking forward to the tortured logic justifying my ban.
My Commentary
I know enough to know that they really don’t like contrary narratives about Russia/Ukraine in any of the Euro-comms so I wrote my comments very carefully.
Can you, the esteemed commenters of YPTB, spot the misinformation or rage bait? Perhaps I am just blind to it in my own content. If present, did I “ragebait first” or did the other commenter?
Reminder that “Russia says this, therefore it is misinformation” is not a cogent argument or evidence.
Reminder to keep the comments on the mod actions. Don’t start debating the war in Ukraine in here
Just for clarification is that topical restriction for top-level comments only or for all comments in YPTB?
Don’t get into litigating the political argument in this community at all. YPTB is for discussing whether the ban was power tripping or not. YDI for repeating soviet conspiracy theories about color revolutions and simping for a vicious authoritarian regime. A socialist should never be on the side of the aggressor. Your argument is 100% pure distilled campism that doesn’t really merit a response other than the scorn of others.
how tf you gon talk about not litigating the politics in here and then turn around and criticize the political opinion expressed in terms of its political opposition in the very next sentence, like
There’s some leeway provided for people to support their arguments towards PTB/YDI. But I don’t want the comments to become a pure political argument.
ok fair enough that was bad form.
“Keep on the topic of the removal and the reasoning” is what it means.
I’d probably be considered a “campist” in your taxonomy but these aren’t arguments from that school at all. Every last one of these facts and arguments are sourced from “realist” commentators, the vast majority of which are probably Liberals. That’s what’s so infuriating to me and the whole reason to even try to swim upstream against all this propaganda.
As I said to everyone else - can you dispute a single factual point I made anywhere in any of these comments?
Also the fact that the Maidan coup was orchestrated by the West is well documented, even in the Western press. We also learned from the Kennedy files that the West was also behind the color revolution in Hungary from which the term “tankie” originates. Unless it’s always soviet conspiracy theories to speak on the extensive dirty history of US regime change operations?
You can reprase what db0 said as “keep on topic”
All comments.
You deserved it propagandist for tyranny.
This is the same misguided idealism that will destroy us all. Which nations are just, free and fair in your view? Also if I’m such a propagandist surely you could easily identify the factual error in my posts and enlighten us all?
Enters Euro-centric space.
Spreads Russian propaganda.
Gets instaban.
Whines and plays victim.
God, you .ml folks are special. Like, “i hope you wear a helmet to the bathroom” special.
YDI.
Is European space
Continental suicide from political capture, propaganda, and an inability to adapt
Bans anyone who speaks against it
Ok euros, be free to destroy yourselves 👍
P.S.: Feel free to point out the obvious factual errors in my comments that I am sure you have identified and are just itching to share with the class
TBH the actual problem here is the belief in “europe” and it’s ability to “commit suicide”.
For me these are wacky white supremacist talking points.
I don’t have a dog in that fight. Some people care a lot about ethnic makeup and assimilation but that’s not what I’m talking about at all.
I’m talking about the European institutions that they built up for themselves over decades literally self-destructing and taking down other parts of other institutions with them.
For instance, despite the evident failure of the 20 sanctions packages to cripple Russia’s economy, the people who were hurt the most were the Europeans themselves. They now pay some of the highest energy prices in the world, when previously they had some of the lowest when they had access to cheap pipeline oil and natural gas from Russia. This is destroying their industrial competitiveness. As a stark example, Volkswagen has stopped production at their main plant for the first time ever.
As another example: Despite how absolutely essential trust is when building and maintaining a reserve currency, the Europeans are mortgaging decades of credibility by trying to seize the Russian assets. If they ever do do this, we can predict with extreme confidence a nosedive in the forex value of the euro and a corresponding and consequent spike in the yields on all their sovereign debt. Even the willingness to consider and debate such a step has probably already damaged their credibility beyond repair with foreign investors
Many other examples available if you’re still unconvinced.
That’s what I mean by Continental Suicide. The much lauded European Project is eating its own tail, and because it is so awash and propaganda, almost everyone is blind to it
Enters Euro-centric space.
Yeah that was the first mistake. Don’t enter white supremacist spaces.
YSHSIC: You Should Have Seen It Coming
OOP is one of these accounts: 3½ years of anti-China & anti-Russia news posts by several similar Lemmy accounts
Communities like !europe@feddit.org, which host these spammers, are likely to be modded by Western turbolibs who think history began on Feb. 24, 2022.
Do you mean to tell me all these bitter complaints about “Russian Bots” were disingenuous and hypocritical all along? I am SHOCKED
That’s PTB from the feddit.org admins exactly in the vein of .ml style of calling “misinformation” everything that contradicts their favorite narrative tropes
I’d support a network-wide retirement of the “misinformation” ban reason but I’ve never been on the other side of the modlog so perhaps I’m missing something important
You went against the popular narrative, but everything you said has some backing. Mod was an asshole.
