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Hofmaimaier ( NichEherVielleicht@feddit.org )  to Science Memes@mander.xyzEnglish · 10 months ago

How about the digestive system?

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How about the digestive system?

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Hofmaimaier ( NichEherVielleicht@feddit.org )  to Science Memes@mander.xyzEnglish · 10 months ago
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  • ImgurRefugee114 ( ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com ) 
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    The colloquial meaning is different from a topological definition. Anything with a through-hole has a hole at each end. It’s an ambiguous question because the answer depends whether you’re referring to a openings in the face of the object (a cylinder in the case of a straw) or the void connecting the surface openings. Perhaps the safest answer is inclusive, so three. I’ve been told I’m not fun at parties.

  • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮  ( Kolanaki@pawb.social ) 
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    A straw has 1 hole that goes all the way through.

    • DragonTypeWyvern ( DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ) 
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      The disk has two holes separated by a lesser distance

      • Venus_Ziegenfalle ( Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org ) 
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        Not if it’s 2D

        • tomiant ( tomiant@piefed.social ) BannedBanned from community
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          Holes are arguably 0D.

          • DragonTypeWyvern ( DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ) 
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            Idk if you can measure what area a hole takes up it has dimensions doesn’t it?

            • tomiant ( tomiant@piefed.social ) BannedBanned from community
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              I’m being tongue in cheek of course and this is more a matter of philosophy and ontology than math and physics, but one could claim that the hole itself does not exist, it is the absence of matter, so what you are measuring is not the hole but rather the distance between any two points of matter. Otherwise one could point to nothing and claim that it is a hole of any size (like pointing to the sky and simply defining some part of it a hole of a certain size- it would effectively be a meaningless proposition in some sense).

              But again, it is truly just silly semantics. :)

        • DragonTypeWyvern ( DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ) 
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          Sure but THIS hole isn’t 2D because it’s a compressed 3d object.

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      So, infinite holes. Just like a line has infinite points. And, a longer straw has a bigger infinite number of holes.

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    I mean no matter how you look at it it’s just the one hole.

    In fact, all holes are the same hole.

    If you think about it.

    • Hofmaimaier ( NichEherVielleicht@feddit.org ) OP
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      That’s what my uncle said.

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        The mother of all holes.

        The motherhole if you will.

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          The Motherhole

          I was in a band called that!

          We mostly played blues standards and industrial metal and our live shows prominently featured custom inflatables.

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          The Ödipus hole

          • tomiant ( tomiant@piefed.social ) BannedBanned from community
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            This, too, is a great bandname.

    • zeca ( zeca@lemmy.ml ) 
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      Theres just one thing, and one way to look a the thing, which is the thing itself.

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        Das Ding an sich!

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    Who the fuck thinks that a straw has 2 holes?

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    A straw has one hole that is open to two entrances. Like a single tunnel. We never say that a tunnel has two holes.

    • Nomorereddit ( Nomorereddit@lemmy.today ) 
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      A tunnel has two holes.

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        We mustn’t say that. It is forbidden.

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          Christmas is just another form of control, from the matrix.

          it pushes massive consumerism and the idea to kids must do as told to be “nice,” cause we can watch them all the time like a cia state.

          Is that less forbidden?

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    Ehh. I’m not sure it’s very constructive to make a topological argument from a debate people usually think about as a linguistic one.

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      I like to think of this particular example as a sort of reminder that we need to be specific on what grounds we are arguing. Colloquially, and for the sake of practicality, the straw has two holes. You would one hole or the other is in the drink, or clogged. But topologically, yes, there is only one hole.

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      Except maybe to illustrate the necessity of various disciplines, as this is a maths problem and not a linguistics one.

      Arguing the linguistics of this is like arguing over astrology.

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      Fields dont need to be that isolated. In the end its arbitrary, so why not accept arguments of all perspectives?

    • knatschus ( knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
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      In germany we say alles hat ein Ende nur die Wurst hat zwei

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    Vsauce, Michael here.

  • Earthman_Jim ( Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip ) 
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    A straw has 1 hole with two ends… this is dumb

  • hansolo ( hansolo@lemmy.today ) 
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    Am I…Hole?

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      Well, pretty much every animal is merely a digestive tract with ever more elaborate ways of funneling food in one end and get rid of the waste at the other.

    • Hofmaimaier ( NichEherVielleicht@feddit.org ) OP
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      No, you are hansolo, with holes.

      • hansolo ( hansolo@lemmy.today ) 
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        Greedo shot first!

      • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮  ( Kolanaki@pawb.social ) 
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        Holesolo

  • Lizard ( Lizard@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
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    Technically, the digestive system (i.e., the full gastro intestinal tract) is considered as part of the “outside” of the body, acting as an external surface similar to the skin. The space that an object can travel through without crossing a cell membrane or entering blood or tissue is called “lumen”. So the same intuition as in the meme actually holds true here, too.

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    Got it, a CD has 2 holes as well.

    • Anna ( AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml ) 
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      What the heck is a CD?

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    laughs in klein bottle

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    Wait this is only one hole?

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      Yes it is a hole in one.

      I will remove myself from the premises.

  • vala ( vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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    There is a great sauce video about this: https://youtu.be/egEraZP9yXQ

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    At step 4 it is not a straw anymore…

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