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Conclusion
The reviewed phone makers – Volla, Fairphone, Shift and Punkt – focus on producing deGoogled phones with a deGoogled OS preinstalled. It’s great to see the trend of going Google-free growing, and it’s a strong push-back against Google’s strategy of killing Android freedom and of making it impossible to install any app from any app store on Android.
That’s not a very useful conclusion
It sound like something AI written but with some human intervention to make it look like less odd.
Don’t quote me on that thoughthat though
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That’s just how Germans write
Remind for myseld in 70 years:
Don’t reincarnate as german
/jk
As an American, this is mostly a nonstarter, but right now, the only alternative that really intrigues me is the Jolla Phone (which I invariably have to look up to make sure I’m not getting it mixed up with Volla), because it’s the only one that isn’t just running a custom Android ROM. We need a true, viable alternative to Android and iOS and, to me, a de-googled ROM is only a half measure. Furthermore, the alternative needs to be free and open source, and community-driven.
Makes me wish I’d gone into software development 25 years ago because now I can only wish I could be the change I want to see in the world.
While Jolla phones aren’t running Android, they sadly still require the Android kernel.
*Linux kernel
The Jolla and the Volla phone both don’t run Android. Or more precisely, Volla sells an version of their phones that uses Ubuntu Touch instead of Android.
Shame on tuta for the headline. Sure, they’re European companies, but according to the article everything except the Volla phone is made in China.
Per the article, the Volla phone starts manufacturing in Taiwan (which I 100% support) and then finishes in Germany so that’s the only one of these that I’d actually consider.
We live in a globalised world. To demand a “pure” X phone is simply ludicrous. Children mine many important minerals with little to no protection in west African countries, and if it’s not children, it’s probably Uyghurs or some other minority for the rare earth metals, the chips are made in multiple countries but mostly China and Taiwan using Dutch machines, assembled by suicidal hand in East and Central Asian countries, and sold in Europe. And that’s not even all parts of the supply chain! Nearly every single link exploits one person or another, the money is used to lobby or forcefully keep the status quo in said country while making mostly already wealth Westerners rich.
To have a purely European phone, you’d probably have to pay 5k at least for the phone. Every European country’s citizens will resist mining in their country because they are acutely aware of the environmental damage it does and who will get rich from it, but they will gleefully buy the same product made under horrible conditions in other countries and not bat an eye when asked if it’s hypocritical. “At least it wasn’t my backyard”.
if you can use your banking app on it or not.
If not, change the bank (and tell them why). This is the sustainable way.
I don’t even use a banking app lmao
Yeah, mine has a hardware key thing for their security theater.
If you have one of these phones be great to hear some personal experiences.
Own FP5 with CalyxOS installed. I like this setup, only battery life is not very good (not sure how it goes on official Android). BatteryGuru sais 10%/h with screen active and around 1,2 %/h idling
Got Fairphone 5 with eos, pretty happy with it.
I recently bought the FP6 with android preinstalled and installed /e/os myself because it was cheaper that way. Installing the is is not difficult at all and there is a detailed guide availabe.
I’m pretty satisfied so far. I’m not missing any functionality except for the headphone jack, but I was willing to compromise on that. Sadly it’s almost impossible to get a phone with headphone jack nowadays anyway.
I generally look for smaller phones with long battery life, and value durability and longevity over cutting edge features. In that regard, the phone is very good in my opinion. It’s smaller that current flagship phones and over the holidays I even went a week without charging it, on day-to-day use I’m currently charging it every 2 to 3 days.
I can’t speak about how repairable it is yet myself, but according to FP and ifixit repairs should be very easy for things like changing the battery and doable with some steady hands for more complex repairs. There are no glued down parts, everything is screwed down or clipped in and you can buy spare parts straight from the manufacturer.
Been using a Fairphone 6with e/OS since basically it was launched and couldn’t be happier! All my banking apps work.
Interesting that they don’t cover puri.sm5 or NitroPhone, the latter having been built around GrapheneOS which the Tuta article implies is still a ways off for degoogled phones. This is actually a Pixel9a that has been modified to degoogle it, and seems like the most security-focused consumer phone I’ve looked at so far.
https://shop.nitrokey.com/shop/nitrophone-5a-807
Useful article in any event, thanks.
Purism is American
does not run Android, and the NitroPhone is a rebranded Pixel with Graphene and disconnected sensors. Useful for privacy, not for e.g. European independence.Not much different from a particular reselling Pixels with Graphene.Edit: Changing my reasoning.
The OP’s and article’s subjects did not specify a need for the less secure Android OS. And the NitroPhone is entirely deGoogled which @goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com or others could understand by reading the linked article, rather than rushing into snark-combat.
Tuta’s article was not about nonPixel phones. It was about escaping the Google ecosystem which aligns with the Nitro’s purpose, along with its hardening of security by physical removal of pixel’s sensors, to start. The [re-]design philosophy and methodology appear sound. If I were looking for a new, deGoogled phone now in the $900+ USD range, it would likely be my top consideration.
But again, it was an interesting article.
While I have rewritten my first comment, I’ll add an answer: NitroPhone has the same usecases as Graphene, and deGoogling is a side goal to privacy, in opposition to e.g. Lineage. This article seems to be for pure deGoogling and, to a lesser extent, phones assembled in Europe, which Nitro is not. A final reason is that Nitrokey is unknown to many, and possibly those that made Tuta’s post.
“All Nitrokeys [presumably including their reengineered phones; I’m not 100% certain, but that appears the case] are produced in Germany”
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Where DeAndroided phones? Gib linux.
jollaphone
Hopefully within 2026 we can start to refer to phones as ‘Android/Google Phones’, ‘iPhones’ and ‘FOSS Phones’ - No longer referring to them as ‘DeGoogled’.
But I am 100% understanding why we use the term now, it came from a Reddit sub. I think (and hope) if we start using the alternative term - FOSS Phones or Open Source or Sailfish/Jolla or whatever else they are… that people will start looking at that option quicker.
DeGoogled sounds to many like it is a bit of work to get rid of google (Buying a google phone and having to remove it). At one stage that was true, custom roms etc.
But I am hoping at this stage anyone buying any of these phones will already know why they are choosing them over other brands.
Got the volla quintus on Black Friday. Have been fucking around with the dual boot going back and forth between Ubuntu and their Volla OS since then. It’s fun and works for me.
It’s also useful to have a look at this great resource: https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm
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Price is the biggest issue for me. Those phones cost over 600 euros while you can get Pixel 9a for 400, probably less if there’s a deal (I got 8a a year ago for 250). 650 euros for a mid-range phone is a lot. 200-400 euros more just not to buy a Pixel… I will think about it.
That’s the advantage of large phone manufacturers is that they can buy in bulk.
There’s also used phones with unlocked bootloaders.
I pay to support the company and for privacy, not quality for sure. With Fairphone 6, the quality is fine for me.
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It was a good offer, I know.
Just want to say, I’m very happy with my Shiftphone 8.1, which is running e/os L (no Google). I use Micro G for payments with Curve Pay and use Magic Earth instead of Maps. It is amazing how long the battery lasts without Big Tech constantly looking over my shoulder.
Arg, it’s so frustrating. Punkt isn’t a smartphone. The rest are just shipping with Android OS so we’re still in the US walled garden. I REALLY wish the EU would put proper investment into Jolla. Mandate banking apps work on an EU specific phone provider, give people a real alternative.
I can’t expect the average person to take on the pain of moving to Sailfish in the hope enough demand means banks would naturally move to an EU alternative. But do please move to Jolla/Sailfish!
