I don’t agree with them, but I do see the logic. Send back a bunch Americans who saw good reason to leave and perhaps they’ll be forced to try to make it more like wherever they fled to.

Or it’s just vindictive “Trump deports people so we deport people” idiocy, idk

That’s exactly what the people being deported from the US are feeling.

Except that the US government and corporations have spent the years since convincing the people that there’s a right way to protest, and that it’s by holding signs on a street corner - preferably out of view. This is why MLK was seen as a violent thug during the Civil Rights Movement and is seen as a hero today. Their struggle has been whitewashed to remove what actually happened and turned into an example of changing things the “right way” - by gently asking your oppressors to stop oppressing you. The US is one of the most propagandized populations on the planet. Our children pledge their undying loyalty every morning to the flag that hangs in every classroom. The only other countries on Earth to have done that are North Korea and the Hitler’s Youth program in Nazi Germany.

They’ve also gutted any form of support network for the same reason. The US populace is staunchly anti-union because companies have convinced us that worker’s rights are bad. They’ve made everybody dependent on keeping their job to keep food on the table and a roof over their head, of course, but also to see a doctor if you have a fever. And God forbid it’s anything worse than that. It’s bread and circuses with a dash of the Sword of Damocles.

So not only do we have to convince people to risk their lives to fight a fascist regime and their police force that is armed as well as many countries military, we have to convince the pearl clutchers that snarky taglines on signs aren’t going to solve things, and reconstruct support networks that haven’t existed for over half a century, and prevent the 45% of the population who support the fascists from voluntarily drafting themselves to root out any resistance, if not start shooting them in the streets. The FBI spends half their time putting down white supremacist militias. All they’d have to do is stop doing that and let the Trump regime do the rest by tweeting from the toilet at 3am. Those most likely to take up arms against the system are the same people who support the current system.

The average person isn’t brave enough to risk their life. If they were, we’d see Canadians coming down to burn down the White House again. We’d see Mexicans crossing the southern border. We’d see aid networks forming from other countries to provide support for anybody willing to resist. But we don’t and we won’t. And I don’t mean that in a “other countries should solve American problems” way, but that people in other countries are just as likely to say, “Not my fight, not my problem. Somebody else should deal with it” as Americans are. It’s human nature. If it wasn’t, we’d see more people taking out healthcare CEOs. More people would’ve supported the IRA. We’d have far more examples instead of Blair Mountain and the Haymarket Affair.

It’s easy for the armchair generals of the world to say that Americans should just arm themselves and go to war against the largest military on the planet when it isn’t their necks on the line.

It needs to happen regardless, but no, we are worse off than they were. There are a lot more ways to track people, which is one major negative. Back then there weren’t a system designed to prevent and punish striking. Now there is. If it ends up happening at the scale that’s needed to make a difference then there will be fights against private militias and the government again.

And the rittenhouse case shows that in america, you can get away with shooting/murdering protesters, if you’re a white conservative.

But a liberal counter-protester bringing a gun to a trump rally? Not even white privilege will protect you at that point…

I agree. And that is why the US is done for. No one is willing to stay until we get what we want… and want is subjective.

Best to pack up and move to another country if they can.

Well, I said that back then and everyone on here ripped me a new one 🤷‍♂️

True enough, but it’s harder to deal with a movement that would be guerilla in its execution compared to going out blasting in a blaze of glory.

That’s not being a coward. This country has never done anything for me, why should I do anything for it? What kind of absolute dumb fuck moron would say to themselves, I was born here, so that’s who I am, And that’s all I will ever be!

“Just joking bro”

Canada is very far from Mexican consciousness.

Some. I doubt most will.

Because they CHEATED, and EVERYBODY knows it, even MAGAs. They’d love to brag about it, but they can’t.

In America, the president isn’t chosen by popular vote. No Republican has won the popular vote on America since Reagan in 1980, and they are less popular now than have been in decades. Trump claims he won it in 2024, but again, they cheated, so it doesn’t count.

How did they cheat? The presidential race came down to the votes in 7 swing states, as it usually does. Somehow, despite no polls showing it in advance, Trump won decisively in every single one of those states, almost a statistical impossibility.

To cheat, all they had to do was flip one race, in 7 states, and in those seven states, there were MILLIONS of ballots with straight Democratic tickets, but Trump at the top. MILLIONS! And yet, I’ve never seen a single voter claim they voted that way. I don’t know any, and I’ve never seen one interviewed on TV Supposedly there are millions of them, but nobody has ever talked to one. If you still doubt that, understand that nearly all of those split tickets came from those 7 swing states. We are expected to believe that those sorts of voters only live in those states, and nowhere else.

Besides that, there are many very strange statistical anomolies in districts and states across America, but nobody on either side is talking about it, the media is complicit as usual, so they aren’t covering it, leaving private individuals to collect the data and exposing it. It starts to sound like a conspiracy theory, but sometimes, even often, conspiracies are true.

They had four years, and a close alliance between three of the most psychopathic Oligarchs on the planet, including one with the power of a hostile sovereign nation, and two of them with confirmed advanced hacking capabilities, to get their voting machine fraud strategy operational.

Worse, the moment the race was over, the Dems voluntarily declared that the MAGAs won it “fair & square,” even though it was fishy at the outset to anyone with basic Critical Thinking Skills. They didn’t take even the slightest look at it, they were too busy getting excited at the prospect of being smug about teaching a lesson to MAGAs about how to have a peaceful transfer of power, as if MAGAs care about that at all.

And consider this: Trump routinely cheats at everything he does. Everything. He thinks it gives him an advantage over those weak people with morality, which it does. He cheats even when he doesn’t have to, because he always thinks it will give some sort of an advantage.

He was about to go to trial, and almost certainly would have ended up in prison, as the evidence of his treason in two separate cases was incontrovertible. The only thing that would keep him out of prison for the rest of his life, was becoming president. So we are supposed to believe that the one election that would keep him out of prison for life, was the one election that he decided to finally play it “fair & square” for the first time in his entire life? How can ANYONE be that obtuse?

The Democratic Leadership reaction finally exposed, once and for all, how weak and cowardly the Dem leadership like Schmuck Schumer, Jeffries, Pelosi, etc. truly are. They don’t really want power, all they care about is remaining in office so they can keep padding their bank accounts with insider trading. It’s as if they know that the entire world is about to turn authoritarian, and the only thing that will save them and their heirs is a shit ton of money, so they are concentrating on that, instead of saving America, and the world, from MAGA rule.

MAGA is only about a 1/3 of America, and shrinking. They got into power by cheating, and they will hold power through brutality. We have a couple of elections ahead that will secure the future one way or the other, and it is literally the Democrats last chance, and they actually have a good chance to prevail…

…unless they squander this opportunity, the way they did during the shameful Biden administration, and fail to crush MAGA once and for all, and purge it from our government and our society. Then America will be lost, and likely slip into Civil War, and the rest of the world will be on their own to prevent their own takeovers by Russia and China.

Other countries need America to slip out of this peacefully nearly as much as America does. They need to pressure their leaders, to pressure the Democratic Party, to take its responsibility seriously, and either fight back, or get out of the way and let the rising Progressive Warriors have a go at stopping MAGA.

It is common in various countries that large part of the population does not vote.

What does this have to do with the point? I was pointing out that it is unrealistic to assume that the majority of the US population despises Trump, yet he won the elections in a dual party system. That is because if you despise one of the parties in such a system then the choice is very clear.

some of them voted for him because he isn’t a Democrat.

Then if I should take both this point and the one above as true, the conclusion should be: over half the Americans despise Trump, but a larger quantity despise Democrats more than Trump.

Paid opposition is essentially they’re paid for by the ones truly in power, the Sociopathic Oligarchs, to be the foil to the other party they want to maintain control with. They present an “alternative” to voters but in the end don’t make major changes, they’re just like a ratchet only going in one direction. That any have voted at all for Trump appointees under this regime instead standing opposed in solidarity doesn’t beat the rap of them being that. And how they want more corporatists to run than actual progressives and they will go all out on progressive candidates to the point of compromising their position to do so.

I’m writing about specific people in a specific situation so I’d rather not go into a ton of detail but there were housing and work situations where any cooperation would have made all the difference for us.