geteilt von: https://lemmy.world/post/41163572
Both mods are also moderators of announcements@discuss.online; they are admins, this is their instance, and they are engaging in vote tampering to boost their instance and its communities over the rest of the fediverse.
jgrim@discuss.online m_f@discuss.online
Rule 4 of that comm is:
All the bans are from people just downvoting this post (but people who downvoted + commented didn’t get banned). Call the rule stupid or whatever, but this seems like honest enforcement of an established rule so I’d hardly call it PTB behaviour.
Is it “vote manipulation” to click a post’s downvote button once? I think it’s disingenuous to frame it like this in the modlog.
I’d argue that the no-downvotes-rule itself is a form of vote manipulation.
The reason is bullshit, for sure. They should have pointed to the comm rule instead.
This issue just keeps getting more and more entangled - someone called to defederate from an entire instance based on actions regarding a single, tiny community (on a fairly small instance to boot), now it seems that I should go read that article in order to fully understand what’s going on… so I’m drawing a line here and saying that even without bothering to read that article, the wording of this OP (in YPTB I mean) is poorly framed.
Communities should have the right to protect themselves from not merely random downvotes but serial, bot-like brigades. Especially for something called “Thoughtful Discussion” where they are aiming for more limited participation by more thoughtful people, and all the more so when they make a special rule just for that. PieFed has superior methods to handle this - like the ability to restrict downvotes selectively to only community members (I think? I am not a mod there but I remember seeing that mentioned somewhere) - but using Lemmy software there really are no other options provided besides banning people who don’t bother to read the community rules. I agree the solution is not ideal but what else does Lemmy offer to meet the same need?
This OP could be a YDI, or it could be CLM, or even BPR, but without being an admin or doing my own intricate research on lemvotes (which is the burden of OP to have provided) I simply do not have the information necessary to decide. (Therefore it’s probably YDI, even if the mod’s rejection reason could have been more clearly articulated on their end.)