Would it be possible to lower barrier to entry that low?
To the point where installing some Linux distro would be as easy as installing a game on Steam or installing an application on a phone?
There is existing software for installing Linux from Windows.
For example, old WUBI for installing Ubuntu, and linixify-gui (fork of abandoned tunic) apparently does this as well.
So question is, should there be some effort put into making a modern installer of this kind? Something that even the person with the smoothest brain can use to get Linux on their PC?
Are there any existing projects that try to make this happen?
I feel like this may backfire, because people may accidentally replace their OS, get really pissed off, and start talking about how installing Linux is really dangerous and might wipe all your data, etc.
I don’t even think it could work. NT will bsod if the os drive disappears, so unless you install on a different drive or partition, the OS will die.
You could just have a UI that runs you through all the questions and prompts from Windows and then reboots and installs a new OS without any other interaction.
You could even have it ask which files/folders the user wants to transfer over so they don’t lose everything.
You can do that without Windows. What is the benefit?
It’s trivial to make a USB bootable installer.
It’s trivial for you.
The average windows user has no idea what “Rufus” is, or how to enter the bios and change the boot priority
Especialy nowadays with “features” like fast boot that removes the “press f# to access bios” prompt on startup to “speed-up the boot process”… Hell even when disabled (both OS and BIOS wide) some computers won’t ever show me the damn thing anyway.
Until a few months ago, I was a Windows user, and I had been since the 90s.
This was the method I used
Yes, this is something that should be taken into account when designing this software.
Set dual-boot as a default / design UI in a way that offers dual-boot as a preferred option.
And many other technical issues will probably appear that will have to be figured out.
But I think that at least even thinking about this is a good start.
Also, this reminds me of 2013, when people accidentally nuked their Windows installs with Linux because they wanted to get the Tux in Team Fortress 2 (Valve gave it to people who played Linux version of TF2).Hmmm yeah I wasn’t thinking about a dual boot default. That could maybe work 🤔
Nope. The installation menu is more complicated. We used to do it from Windows back in the day no problem.
I find that live USB drives, like the Linux Mint installer are a fantastic way to show potential converts around. If they like it, all they had to do is click install.
Anyone that cannot figure out how to install linux probably shouldn’t be fucking with their operating system in the first place.
You can also just buy a live USB distro and install by doing nothing more than turning off your computer and turning it on again, which is even easier than installing a program in windows.
Furthermore, there is a very real argument to be made that you should NOT be able to EASILY nuke an operating system from within itself. Windows devs would be pretty reasonable to define any program able to easily do that as being malware.
Back in the days of CD Drives you just inserted the linux disk from a magazine or from a bestbuy that sold OpenSUSE and did a restart and it booted from CD ready to install, just like you’d install a game.
USB stick is just as simple but people don’t know the process to make the stick or boot and hit the f key that gives them temp boot device options so it is a “harder” process
I have a hard time imagining a less rewarding user-facing software to be maintainer of. That’s probably why there isn’t one.
Thousands of hours and being blamed for dozens of people softbricking their PCs (which they now probably lack the USB route to recover from) - all because writing an ISO to USB and rebooting is too much friction?
This used to exist. Anyone remember WUBI? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wubi
I may be misunderstanding your post but is WSL not what you’re looking for? It’s quite simple to install and setup. It’s Linux inside Windows.
Yes, and so is a virtual machine. I’m thinking install Linux to disk so that it can then run directly on hardware.
This is how we did it before MS enshittified the boot loaders.
There does exist a tool that does it. The creator posted about it on the fediverse. It only supported ubuntu at the time but looked extremely promising.
I cannot remember it’s name. :/
Maybe it’s linixify? But I remember seeing a post on lemmy with a youtube demo?
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you’d still have to boot from cd, but i do recall one of the early versions happily moving everything from your old windows install. i’m still moving around my wife’s files from her xp install every time i need to set up a new /home part for her.
we had it back in the day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZipSlack
You mean something like Operese ?
I heard that one is pretty recent.
There’s nothing easier than booting from a thumb drive and clicking “install”, IMO. Having to load Windows first is just adding an extra step.
Not for those who are not sure about Linux. Installing an app and launching it, is a familiar task and quick to do, to take a look. No need get a usb stick and do unfamiliar steps right just then.
Then if Linux looks good, and you want to keep it, now you have the motivation to sort out how to install it. It’s a different task.
Many people don’t do that, because they dont know what Linux looks and feels like. So they won’t install it.
WUBI did a good job of that.
The topic is specifically about installing Linux, so that’s what I was considering. If a person just wants to see what it’s like, then booting into a live image still seems easier than booting into Windows first and then running Linux in a vm or some other type of software that can run one OS inside another.
Many will already have a running Windows system. And running an app is an every day task for people not experienced in IT matters. Setting up and booting into a live image involves several steps completely foreign to many people. Maybe not to you. But there is a massive difference. These things matter if you’ve never done it before. Barriers like that are putting people off installing Linux.
I have seen distros that offer methods for installing Linux directly from Windows but I wouldn’t use them. Live CDs are a good way to test if that distro, or even Linux in general, will work properly on that computer. For example, if you installed Linux on a computer with a WiFi adapter that Linux doesn’t currently support, you wouldn’t have known this if you just installed Linux directly from Windows without testing it first and there is no simple solution to this problem.
Now, if you could install Linux onto an external hard drive from Windows, then this might be fine because you’d have a dual boot between the two OSs and can easily fallback to Windows if Linux doesn’t work properly. However, as far as I’m aware, you’d still need to boot into the bios and change the boot loader so that Linux can actually boot.
I don’t think it matters so much. It’s possible to test Linux literally in seconds with nothing to install thanks to virtual machines on the Web. It’s risk free.
What prevents people from migrating isn’t technical, it’s mostly FUD and marketing (not to say lies) from MicroSlop.
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